Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 65 (9077 total)
68 online now:
Minnemooseus (Adminnemooseus), ramoss (2 members, 66 visitors)
Newest Member: Contrarian
Post Volume: Total: 894,036 Year: 5,148/6,534 Month: 568/794 Week: 59/135 Day: 5/6 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Could Trump Instigate A New Civil War?
Phat
Member
Posts: 15993
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 46 of 90 (891164)
01-20-2022 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by AZPaul3
01-19-2022 4:58 PM


Re: Is Jesus Liberal or Conservative or...
You guys always say that I should stop listening to Right Wing(nut) News.
But is Tucker Carlson WRONG in his assessment? WTF is wrong with cities spending money on homeless people and causing more harm than good?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


This message is a reply to:
 Message 41 by AZPaul3, posted 01-19-2022 4:58 PM AZPaul3 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 47 by xongsmith, posted 01-20-2022 5:45 AM Phat has replied
 Message 48 by AZPaul3, posted 01-20-2022 7:57 AM Phat has seen this message
 Message 49 by jar, posted 01-20-2022 8:37 AM Phat has taken no action
 Message 50 by Theodoric, posted 01-20-2022 8:38 AM Phat has replied

  
xongsmith
Member
Posts: 2226
From: massachusetts US
Joined: 01-01-2009
Member Rating: 3.4


(1)
Message 47 of 90 (891165)
01-20-2022 5:45 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
01-20-2022 2:28 AM


Re: spending on homeless
Phat asks:
WTF is wrong with cities spending money on homeless people and causing more harm than good?

While Tucker is a smelly turd of a hockey puck, you have 2 parts to your question.

Nothing is wrong with spending more money on the homeless.

What is wrong is then doing nothing and expecting things to change in less than 20 years of it.

Give them real homes, jobs, schools and friendly neighbors and wait 20 years
- then they will defend those homes & neighborhoods instead of burning them down.

I hope Tucker won't live that long.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


This message is a reply to:
 Message 46 by Phat, posted 01-20-2022 2:28 AM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 52 by Phat, posted 01-21-2022 9:05 AM xongsmith has taken no action
 Message 66 by Phat, posted 01-22-2022 3:59 PM xongsmith has taken no action

  
AZPaul3
Member
Posts: 6738
From: Phoenix
Joined: 11-06-2006
Member Rating: 2.9


(4)
Message 48 of 90 (891167)
01-20-2022 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
01-20-2022 2:28 AM


Re: Is Jesus Liberal or Conservative or...
You do know that Tucker Carlson admitted that he lies on his show? Why would you listen to this shill?

Oh, that's right, He's a lying republican nazi and you, Phat, you like you some of that lying republican nazi. It fits your fantasy view of life.

He's lying to you, Phat. Again.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 46 by Phat, posted 01-20-2022 2:28 AM Phat has seen this message

  
jar
Member
Posts: 33957
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004
Member Rating: 2.3


Message 49 of 90 (891170)
01-20-2022 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
01-20-2022 2:28 AM


Re: Is Jesus Liberal or Conservative or...
Sam Clemens was talking about Tucker Carlson.

Why do you not just listen too but without thinking or checking their lies accept such obvious bullshit?

To do more harm than good they would have to burn down more homes than there are homes for the homeless that actually provide shelter.

And who said, "Shelter the homeless"?

Edited by jar, : No reason given.


My Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 46 by Phat, posted 01-20-2022 2:28 AM Phat has taken no action

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 7333
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 2.8


(2)
Message 50 of 90 (891171)
01-20-2022 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
01-20-2022 2:28 AM


Phat falls for the RWNJ talking points again
YOu have fallen for the rightwing, unchristian, pecking order view of society. You and the rest of the GQP rubes have fallen for, uncritically, the wingnut view that you only have worth if there is someone lower in the pecking order than you.
Meanwhile the ultra wealthy pay almost nothing in taxes.
Do you think these people want to be homeless? Why do you think many of them are homeless? I know what you think, you think it is because they are lazy and just want to get drunk or high.
F' you.
The vast majority have some sort of mental health issue. Unlike Fucker Carlson and his ilk, they cannot afford a treatment center. A lot of homeless are children too.
No, he is not right. He is a heartless asshole that just wants to keep taxes lower for himself and his handlers. In the end, all his plan does is shuffle them off somewhere else. Make them someone else's issue to deal with. Unless we go to the next logical level. Imprison them? That will cost magnitudes more. Kill them? That is seemingly his hope. Not by the state, but it seems he would be ok with some vigilanteism toward the homeless.

Fucker Carlson is an amoral, vile human POS. It should amaze me that a self-described "good Christian", like yourself, would espouse an idea that is such an anathema to the teachings of your supposed god and leader. It doesn't. Par for the course for you and the amoral fundie movement.


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 46 by Phat, posted 01-20-2022 2:28 AM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 51 by Phat, posted 01-21-2022 9:01 AM Theodoric has replied

  
Phat
Member
Posts: 15993
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 51 of 90 (891189)
01-21-2022 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Theodoric
01-20-2022 8:38 AM


Re: Phat falls for the RWNJ talking points again
I merely presented the video...I am not a pawn to right-wing talking points.

The real question is why your side hates it even when they are presented.

Liberals are no smarter than conservatives.

You really need to stop being so extremist (Like Tucker is)


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


This message is a reply to:
 Message 50 by Theodoric, posted 01-20-2022 8:38 AM Theodoric has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 53 by Theodoric, posted 01-21-2022 9:28 AM Phat has taken no action
 Message 56 by Percy, posted 01-21-2022 11:38 AM Phat has taken no action

  
Phat
Member
Posts: 15993
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 52 of 90 (891190)
01-21-2022 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by xongsmith
01-20-2022 5:45 AM


Re: spending on homeless
Nothing is wrong with spending more money on the homeless.

Let me fix that sentence.
Nothing is wrong with spending more money on the homeless.

There is a lot wrong with wasting taxpayer money ineffectively. Get your hands out of my wallet, Dems. Especially you extremists.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


This message is a reply to:
 Message 47 by xongsmith, posted 01-20-2022 5:45 AM xongsmith has taken no action

Replies to this message:
 Message 54 by Theodoric, posted 01-21-2022 9:34 AM Phat has replied
 Message 57 by Percy, posted 01-21-2022 11:40 AM Phat has taken no action
 Message 58 by nwr, posted 01-21-2022 4:19 PM Phat has taken no action
 Message 59 by jar, posted 01-21-2022 4:41 PM Phat has taken no action

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 7333
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 2.8


(3)
Message 53 of 90 (891193)
01-21-2022 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Phat
01-21-2022 9:01 AM


Re: Phat falls for the RWNJ talking points again
I merely presented the video
You are such a liar. The good old "I am just asking questions". I told you what was wrong with what he had to say. At least acknowledge it. When you post shit you will get shit in response.

I am not a pawn to right-wing talking points.

Yeah, you are. If you aren't quit posting them.
The real question is why your side hates it even when they are presented.

Why do you use such loaded, deceitful words? There is no hate. There is bullshit and there is reason. RWNJ's use and post bullshit. My side? What does that mean? Progressives? We use reason and evidence(something you seem to not care about as much as your gut).
You seem to think we should just accept these talking points from the right with no response, no questioning, no looking at facts and data. You truly are a simple man.

Liberals are no smarter than conservatives.

Seemingly, we are. Thanks for the data to come to that reasoned conclusion.

You really need to stop being so extremist

Wanted to not make people suffer and not wanting to shame them is extremist?
Way to show off those Christian virtues again. You truly have no shame, do you?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 51 by Phat, posted 01-21-2022 9:01 AM Phat has taken no action

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 7333
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 2.8


(4)
Message 54 of 90 (891194)
01-21-2022 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Phat
01-21-2022 9:05 AM


Re: spending on homeless
You do know how taxes work and how social investments reap rewards for society don't you?
No, all you know are the lies that social spending causes your taxes to go up.
Willful ignorance is not pretty Phat.

Spending money on the homeless is a net social and financial gain. Shaming the homeless and treating them like lesser people is a loser. Austerity hurts us all.
If you want to present actual evidence to counter this go for it. Tucker does not qualify as a source.

What Montefiore's 300% ROI from social determinants investments means for the future of other hospitals

Can Homelessness Programs Make Money -- and Should They?


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 52 by Phat, posted 01-21-2022 9:05 AM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 55 by Phat, posted 01-21-2022 10:20 AM Theodoric has taken no action

  
Phat
Member
Posts: 15993
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


(1)
Message 55 of 90 (891196)
01-21-2022 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Theodoric
01-21-2022 9:34 AM


Re: spending on homeless
The second link is encouraging.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


This message is a reply to:
 Message 54 by Theodoric, posted 01-21-2022 9:34 AM Theodoric has taken no action

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 20833
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 2.6


(2)
Message 56 of 90 (891203)
01-21-2022 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Phat
01-21-2022 9:01 AM


Re: Phat falls for the RWNJ talking points again
Phat writes:

Liberals are no smarter than conservatives.

Conservatives are much smarter than liberals. They have to be in order to come up with convincing sounding reasons for believing nonsense and lies.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Improve clarity.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 51 by Phat, posted 01-21-2022 9:01 AM Phat has taken no action

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 20833
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 2.6


(2)
Message 57 of 90 (891204)
01-21-2022 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Phat
01-21-2022 9:05 AM


Re: spending on homeless
Phat writes:

Let me fix that sentence.
Nothing is wrong with spending more money on the homeless.

Congratulations on turning it into ungrammatical nonsense.

--Percy


This message is a reply to:
 Message 52 by Phat, posted 01-21-2022 9:05 AM Phat has taken no action

  
nwr
Member
Posts: 6007
From: Geneva, Illinois
Joined: 08-08-2005
Member Rating: 3.5


Message 58 of 90 (891211)
01-21-2022 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Phat
01-21-2022 9:05 AM


Re: spending on homeless
There is a lot wrong with wasting taxpayer money ineffectively. Get your hands out of my wallet, Dems.

Wasting money ineffectively -- that sounds like the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. Both were started by Republicans.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

This message is a reply to:
 Message 52 by Phat, posted 01-21-2022 9:05 AM Phat has taken no action

Replies to this message:
 Message 60 by Tanypteryx, posted 01-21-2022 5:09 PM nwr has seen this message

  
jar
Member
Posts: 33957
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004
Member Rating: 2.3


Message 59 of 90 (891212)
01-21-2022 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Phat
01-21-2022 9:05 AM


Learn the basics Phat.
Phat, you are as clueless about economics and taxation as you are about Christianity or Jesus message.

How is money spent on the homeless wasted?

Tell us in YOUR words, not some propaganda link.

How is taxpayer money being wasted? Specifics with evidence or reasoned arguments needed.

There is no doubt taxpayer money is being wasted but let's see your specific complaints and find out if they are real or another of your fantasies.

AbE: also explain exactly how most of your recent posts are related to the topic since it's clear that they really are significant contributors to the possibility of Trump or some other utter failure tearing the US apart?

Edited by jar, : see abe


My Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 52 by Phat, posted 01-21-2022 9:05 AM Phat has taken no action

  
Tanypteryx
Member
Posts: 3347
From: Oregon, USA
Joined: 08-27-2006
Member Rating: 3.6


(1)
Message 60 of 90 (891213)
01-21-2022 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by nwr
01-21-2022 4:19 PM


Re: spending on homeless
Wasting money ineffectively -- that sounds like the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. Both were started by Republicans.

And pretty much all of those Trillions of wasted dollars went directly in to republican pockets.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


This message is a reply to:
 Message 58 by nwr, posted 01-21-2022 4:19 PM nwr has seen this message

Replies to this message:
 Message 61 by jar, posted 01-21-2022 5:47 PM Tanypteryx has taken no action

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2018 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.1
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2022