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Author Topic:   Conversion to atheism
nator
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Message 27 of 49 (172975)
01-02-2005 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Tal
12-31-2004 6:23 AM


quote:
My view is that we are apart of a struggle of the ages between good and evil. Lucifer fell and took 1/3 of the angels with him. He caused man to fall in Eden. God's design for us was that we are meant to have free will. He didn't want robots, or he would have made them. Even angels have free will. I believe we are in a spiritual struggle and the badguys goal is to decieve us until we finally croak, that way, we share in the fate that was designed for him.
Brief, but that's my general opinion of why we are here.
Goodness, you live in world that is both rather ominous and scary, and which also makes humans and human actions extremely important.
Forgive me, but it sounds an awful lot like a child's fairy tale.
...or a bad hollywood adventure film.
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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 28 of 49 (172976)
01-02-2005 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by mike the wiz
12-31-2004 2:40 PM


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Probably on the toilet, or refuting Shraff.
It had to be the first, because you ain't never done the second one.

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nator
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Message 33 of 49 (173382)
01-03-2005 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Shaz
01-03-2005 1:15 AM


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There is so much more, than what we can even begin to comprehend with our human logic.
How do you know it is there?

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 42 of 49 (173610)
01-03-2005 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by crashfrog
01-03-2005 1:56 PM


Re: How did it come about?
quote:
If I have coffee, and the label doesn't mention God as the origin of the beans, am I drinking atheist coffee?
mmmmm....athiest coffee....

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 45 of 49 (173614)
01-03-2005 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Shaz
01-03-2005 9:29 PM


Re: A statement of comprehension.
Now, see how far you came from your original statement, which was:
quote:
There is so much more, than what we can even begin to comprehend with our human logic.
?
The above is making a very grand statement about what all of humanity can comprehend, and is also a very strong claim that there is, indeed, "so much more" out there.
After being questioned a bit about your basis for such a claim, you have made a much less grand, overarching statement about all of humanity and instead speak in limited terms about your own subjective experience:
quote:
The people I have spoken with about my experiences, have said that what I have experienced and seen is beyond their ability to comprehend.
I might mention here that it is, in fact, impossible for any other person to comprehend anything exactly the way I do, or you do. Nor can you or I comprehend others' experiences the way they do.
Really, your second statement has very little to do with the first.
You may feel, personally, that there is "more than what we can even begin to comprehend with our human logic", but if you can't comprehend it with your human mind and logic, how can you know it is there? You cannot, by definition, have any experience of it at all.

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