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crashfrog
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Message 34 of 49 (173459)
01-03-2005 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Tal
12-31-2004 5:37 AM


Atheism Answers the Questions
Who am I?
Me.
Why am I here?
Where else would I be?
Where did I come from?
Sex.
Where am I going?
Ultimately, death, but before that it's up to you.
I don't understand how a cosmic post-death singles mixer in the sky somehow answers those questions any better. Who we are and what we do is ultimately up to us; we define our own purposes no matter what we believe.
Compared to the scary world of unimpeachable superbeings offered by theists like you, I find atheism quite comforting. It's a relief to know that my efforts to do good in the world will be opposed only by other humans, not by the personification of evil with powers unopposable by mortals.
You can't be "converted" to the truth. You either find it, or you reject it.
This is the stage where you would present your argument for there being no god/afterlife.
Why bother?
A looser sense of morality.
False by examination. Atheists break less laws and have better marriages than theists. When we do the right thing, we do it because it's right, not because God told us to. Clearly, we're just that much more moral than people like you.

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crashfrog
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Message 35 of 49 (173462)
01-03-2005 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by TheLiteralist
01-02-2005 12:32 AM


Re: How did it come about?
No, atheism has a much more efficient system for conversion...it's called public education
Efficient? Hardly.
I'd venture to say that most people don't become atheists until college, at least. The public schools are hardly churning out the atheists, if my experience is any indication. And yes, I had the same curriculum as you. For all your agonized, sweaty-palm agitation about science birthing atheists, it doesn't seem to really happen, now does it? Certainly not with the efficiency that your churches turn out believers.
in which a purely materialistic explanation
Materialism = atheism? How does that work?
If I play Monopoly, and we play it strictly "materialist", where the rules don't make any mention of God, are we playing atheist Monopoly? If I have coffee, and the label doesn't mention God as the origin of the beans, am I drinking atheist coffee?
Or isn't it at least possible that there might, just might, be situations in which the existence or qualities of your god might not be relevant?

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crashfrog
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Message 37 of 49 (173484)
01-03-2005 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Zawi
01-03-2005 2:53 PM


Who knows what that truth is?
Philosophically speaking, nobody. Nobody is able to directly probe reality; we have only the information of our senses. Perhaps the vase has one "true" color; perhaps, though, the vase does not exist at all, but rather, it's just the Matrix supplying your brain with information about the color of an imaginary vase.
You can't refute solipsism, really. The only escape is the naturalist realization that it doesn't really matter if you're in reality or in the Matrix if, in either case, the physical world appears to react according to discernable, constant laws.
Personally, to bring it back to the topic, I don't care what people believe, because it's not what you believe, it's what you do. So many of these spiritual questions are just self-indulgent naval-gazing, and a distraction from actually getting work done in the universe.

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