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Author Topic:   Conversion to atheism
Tal
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Message 4 of 49 (172474)
12-31-2004 5:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Zawi
12-29-2004 2:50 PM


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Is it worth the effort to try and ‘convert’ theists to atheism?
I don't think its worth it, because Atheism offers no positive message (to a theist).
The 4 questions: (Who am I? Why am I here? Where did I come from? and Where am I going?) are answered at least in part by people who believe in an afterlife. Atheism answers those questions with little hope: (You are nobody. You are only here as a random universal hiccup. You came from a protozoa. Your going to fertilize something when you die.)
Now, theists (and atheists for that matter) should, at some point, question why they believe what they do. This is the stage where you would present your argument for there being no god/afterlife.
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How important is it for one to know the truth?
For me, it is what drives me to research topics of spiritual/scientific nature. I simply want to know what is true and I enjoy digging into things to attempt to find out.
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And finally, what do you believe to be the benefits of being an atheist?
A looser sense of morality. Although I qualify that as a liability, some would say its a benefit.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8

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Tal
Member (Idle past 5708 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 7 of 49 (172481)
12-31-2004 6:23 AM
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12-31-2004 6:11 AM


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Unless you want me to speak for you... You are nobody but a cog in God's machine. You came from dirt and from dirt you will return. While you are given free will, it is only to choose to obey to being a cog. If you like your role and obey, when you die you get permanently placed in the machine. If you disobey, when you die you will be punished eternally.
My view is that we are apart of a struggle of the ages between good and evil. Lucifer fell and took 1/3 of the angels with him. He caused man to fall in Eden. God's design for us was that we are meant to have free will. He didn't want robots, or he would have made them. Even angels have free will. I believe we are in a spiritual struggle and the badguys goal is to decieve us until we finally croak, that way, we share in the fate that was designed for him.
Brief, but that's my general opinion of why we are here.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8

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Tal
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Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
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Message 9 of 49 (172492)
12-31-2004 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Silent H
12-31-2004 6:47 AM


It would be, except I was answering the original poster's question from a theists perspective, which is what he asked for.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8

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