Cali Supreme Court ruling on legality of same-sex marriage ban

subbie, come with me across the Heartland of America, from sea to shining sea, and let's visit every farmhouse together and ask those fine people one question: Mr. and Mrs. Jones, do you believe that the institution of marriage, "holy matrimony," would suffer if gays were allow to get married?" And then let's have a beer in New York and tally up the results. Any bets on what they might be?This issue makes bigots out of a lot of good people.”HM

Granny, you've gone hysterical. I haven't harmed any gay people yet. And your said post way back when is too complicated for me to deal with, given the lead in my bigoted bidge. Can you pose a simpler question for your elderly victim?”HM

Wonder why. Kooties?

Sorry, subbie, but I can't agree. You can't call Mr. and Mrs, John bigots; they are the core of America, and it's a matter of opinion anyway. Take a vote. If you believe in democracy you can't negate the opinions of Mr. and Mrs. Jones.”HM

Way to go, iano!

OK, so we're all bigots, even the atheists. We can handle that.subbie, here a test on prejudice for you: If you parented four children wouldn't you hope that two were gay? After all, they're good people, too, who deserve equal rights and equal love. Would you have hopes for the homosexuality of your children that equal those for heterosexuality?If you fail this test, subbie, I might call you a bigot.”HM

subbie, your responded to my test question: this way: Although you are honest and sincere, you have revealed a prejudice against homosexuality. That is the prerequisite of bigotry. But I don't regard you as a bigot anymore than I regard myself as such. We're both realistic about homosexuality: it's an aberration of choice. And now they're making laws to accommodate that aberrattion as if they are ramping the curbs for crippled people. Same as you, mostly. And I support their right to choose. But I don't support any special rights to choose, like maybe a special right granted to the Hells Angeles to not to wear helmets if they don't want to.How about a special law for old people that protects their rights to suicide if that's what they choose to do? Don't you think that once you age past 70 you ought to be able to choose when you die, legally? Yes, I know you'll say it's OT, but it's not. We're talking here about making laws to protect aberrant choices.”HM

No, they missed the part about separating government from religion. The government should get out of the marriage business and focus on civil unions. Easy, as I have stated in Message 38: The First Amendement”"Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion..."”HM

Oh, Granny, let's do what subbie and I did, take a cruise across America and ask a simple question of Mr. and Mrs. Jones, our model married couple: "Does the legalization of "gay marriage" interfere in any way with your own marriage?" We'll keep score, go have a cocktail, and ask ourselves two questions: Whose opinion on this matter counts most: the vast majority or the slim minority? And what's the meaning of democracy?Come on, Granny, we can stay in Motel 8s.”HM

That's fluff, Granny. It's matter of opinion, and you're so opinionated on the matter that you're playing the bigot card. Makes me wonder just who is the real bigot. Let's be real; it's only a matter of opinion. And when the U.S. Supreme Court is called upon to render its opinion, what do you suppose that will be?I knew a large-dog person once who hated small-dog people. And I knew a small-dog person who felt the same about large-dog people. And then I knew a person once who didn't like any kind of dog people. They all had one thing in common, though: they all called each other "bigots."”HM

Gosh, subbie, I don't think that one helped your argument very much, but I liked its visual value. By imposing gay marriage under the law you would be imposing a special exemption to the traditional value of marriage. But it's a fig in fir tree. A tempest in a teapot. And until the government reverts to something other than a democracy, majority rules. And until the First Amendment is suspended, we have a separation of church and state.I've never said gays shouldn't be married. I'm only saying that the law doesn't need to be involved.”HM

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aberration |‘abr sh n|
noun
a departure from what is normal, usual, or expected, typically one that is unwelcome
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Didn't subbie already testified that he would not welcome homosexuality in his children, but he would love them anyway? He didn't want that kind aberration. If you say it's not an aberration then you don't understand the term. Would you want any of your children to turn out gay? Be honest.Now, I don't need to define "choice." We know what that is. If there is some biological reason that people become gay without choice then please bring it forward. Personally, I think there is a biological reason, but it seems to be elusive and no confirmable gene has been discovered. Perhaps it's hormonal/developmental. But, more likely, confused youngsters dabble with it like they dabble with drugs and alcohol. And dabbling choice, is it not?Thus gays engage in an "aberration of choice." And perhaps you have prejudices you're unwilling to face up to.”HM

Then how in hell did we get ourselves into Iraq to kill its dictator and propagate democracy? Where were the legislative and judicial branches when we needed them? Wasn't there a vote in Congress? Come on, rahvin, we have to deal with majority-rule politics to run this country, even if it is not a pure democracy, and even if the majority is wrong.”HM

You're over-reacting. Here's what you said in Message 62: Then here's what I said in Message 92: What's slandering about that? And then I said: Is that the slander you claim? If so, I don't get it, because I didn't think you wanted that kind of aberration. Then what is it? It isn't normal. It looks like an aberration to me. You're not being honest because you have already admitted that homosexuality is not equal in your eyes to heterosexuality in terms what you would prefer for your children.And get off the bigotry band wagon. Save it for a better cause. I heard your mother was a Nazi.”HM

I should have know that. So how does this republic work if it doesn't run on democracy?”HM