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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Rahvin writes:
To compare the opposition to “gay marriage” to racial bigotry is to compare Bugs Bunny to Humphrey Bogart. There is nothing bigoted about opposing the legalization of “gay marriage,” and those who say there is are making cartoon characters out of themselves. Get real! There is NOTHING mentioned in the U.S. Constitution about gay people and their equal rights to get married. Gay people already have all the rights that I have. They are free to choose, just like me. There is no issue here that matters enough to bother the law with it. But bigots like you have turned it into a comic strip. But I can' stress this enough: The Constitution of teh United Statres guarantees equal treatment under the law. This is exactly the same fight we went through regarding interracial marriage, which was illegal in most (all?) states until the case of Loving v. Virginia. Feel free to look it up - the reasons gay marriage must be legalized are the exact same reasons that interracial marriage had to be legalized. It has nothing to do with children, nothing to do with "family units," nothing to do with whether bigots like Hoot get all squicked out when they see two men (or a white woman and black man) kissing, and everything to do with equal treatment under the law. ”HM Edited by Hoot Mon, : No reason given.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
There is, however, a very important part that guarantees equal treatment under the law for all citizens.
But we already have that. There is nothing I can do legally that a gay person can't. And don't give me the "Gays can't marry who they love" argument. If I loved two women and can only marry one a a time. Am I hollering for relief from such preposterous bigotry? Come on! We already are exactly equal under the law. ”Hm
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Larni writes:
So do I, in terms of civil unions. If you still have a problem over that then you qualify for the B word. I'm more equal and fair than you are, because you are demanding special exemptions and I am happy the way things are. I advocate equality between a gay couple and a straight couple. Hey, I'm in love with the woman next door, but her bigoted husband says I can't marry her. He's a big bigot, too, and he'd like to break my knees. Oh, but I loooooove her! It's just not fair! Let's change the law. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
LinearAq writes:
Apples and river rocks. This is just like comparing "gay marriage" to abolition of the slaves. If gays can have their civil unions sanctioned by law, just like I can, then what more do want? Affirmative actions programs for homosexuals? Are you suggesting that if a defining characteristic of a person is a matter of their choosing, then it is ok to enact prejudicial policies against that person?Does that mean I can turn down a potential tenant because he is a Buddhist, or a Muslim? Can I also turn him down if he works as a lawyer or a plumber? Can you picture Barney Franks introducing the Hershey Highway bill in Congress? ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
bluecat48 writes:
No one is claiming here that "gay marriage" would ruin straight marriages. "Ruin" in the wrong verb. But I am claiming that the only way to find out if "gay marriage" would adversely affect those who are married the regular way: ask them. If they say it would affect them then who are you to say it shouldn't? You are assuming, bluecat, that their is a single moral authority on this issue. All we have here are opinions and comparisons. And when people compare America's resistance to "gay marriage" with American's history of enslaving blacks I am reassured that they don't know what the hell they're talking about. No Taz was asking for someone to explain why gay marriage would ruin straight marriages. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Bluejay writes:
In America we are duty bound to discriminate against any Mormon evolutionary biologist who speaks Chinese in public and listens to 80s music. It's just not American! I'm rather glad, too: a simple majority vote would render many of the things I enjoy in my life illegal (evolutionary biology, Mormonism, speaking Chinese in public, listening to 80's music, etc.). ”HM Edited by Hoot Mon, : oopsie
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
FliesOnly writes:
I can't marry the wife of the guy who lives next door. And I can't get married to more than one woman at a time. And I can't use the ladies restroom. The law says I can't do these things, even if I don't want to. I'm no better off than gay people. In fact they have an advantage over me. They can solicit sex much better in public restrooms when they are segregated according men's and women's. We know from Sen. Larry Craig's queer foolishness that men's rooms in airports are nifty gathering places for inter-stall toe tapping. Not a bad way to score a BJ.
here is nothing in the Constitution about straight people and their equal rights to get married...but yet straight people CAN get married. So that's kinda the great thing about the Constitution, Hoot Mon. It Guarantees equal treatment under the law for everyone. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? I notice that even though many of us have defined what a "bigot" is to you, you still don't understand. By allowing gays the same rights as the rest of us, we are stopping bigotry. You, by wanting to limit the rights of others because of their sexual orientation, are being bigoted. Again, why are these simple concepts so difficult for you to grasp. My ten-year old niece gets it Hoot Mon, maybe you should repeat the 4th grade.
But there is a preponderance of opinion against yours. What gives you the right to call your other people bigots just because they disagree with your opinion. Isn't THAT closer to the true definition of bigotry? ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
lyx2no writes:
But why does it matter what they call themselves? The only thing that really matters is that the government gets out of the business of marriage. Some people on this thread call themselves educated, and they still use the word "bigot" to describe people who disagree with them. That proves to me that you can be educated and still be ignorant. Good plan. What would you bet that within a month everyone would be calling the civil unions "marriages" followed by "Oh damn! Civil union." ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Taz writes:
It's worse than that. I've lost my appetite for Hershey bars. Now I have to make my somemores with peanut butter. He's senile. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
FliesOnly writes:
Not if I want to keep out of trouble with him and the law. He's big s.o.b., and he claims the law is on his side. Well, damn it, I suppose it is. Bigoted bastard! I'd like to send a 2x4 up his Hershey Highway. Hoot Mon writes:
Yes you can. I can't marry the wife of the guy who lives next door. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
FiesOnly writes:
You mean to say that they are not as free to choose as I am? Not true! They have EXACTLY the same options available to them as I have to me. What they want is special treatment under the law, special exemptions for self-chosen aberrations that the majority of Americans deem inconsistent with the spirit of the law as it was written. It's not much different from people who want to raise dogs for BBQ purposes. The law says they can't. Now, what kind of bigoted law is that? Why should anyone care if I want to put chopped puppy livers in my salad? Hoot Mon writes: Bullshit, Hoot Mon. We're having this debate because they are not free to choose. They are free to choose, just like me. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
CS writes:
I agree. I've been in love with more than one woman at a time. I think my person record is five. But I couldn't marry them all at once, not legally. So, as you say, I don't have the RIGHT to concurrently marry every woman I love. But in the eyes of the law, a marriage is simply a social contract and it doesn't have anything to do with love. So, you don't really have the RIGHT to marry the one you love in the first place. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
FO writes:
Sorry to butt in here, but isn't bestiality a sexual orientation? Can you not see the difference between me disagreeing with your point of view (but respecting your right to hold such a point of view), and not allowing some individuals the same rights you have simply because of their sexual orientation? ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
lyx2no writes:
You mean to say the sheep don't dig it?
The three requisite elements of a contract are offer, consideration and acceptance. Sheep are unable to comply with any of them.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
And from the vast, undifferentiated plane we get this:
For a man to have the same rights as a women, he must be allowed to marry a man.
Well, he can always have a sex change, you know. Then he could marry the man he loves. He's free to do that; so am I. The only thing that separates us from doing that is CHOICE. And his choices are EXACTLY the same as mine. ”HM
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