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Author | Topic: Right wing conservatives are evil? Well, I have evidence that they are. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 6051 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: |
Any human can help any other human, this evidence works in any situation with any 2 humans. Humans can help humans in a general sense, but that is no refutation of the evidence. An individual without the capacity to "directly" reproduce has a greater biological drive to aid in the survival of their nieces and nephews, or an adopted child. Quite a distinct scenario from what your are attempting to generalize.
Which is less effective than the majority of male and female pairs. No, it isn't. Again, your simple comebacks only work if you take a very simplistic view of things. In some species/situations, the total number of surviving offspring per generation in a social unit is higher when some members are homosexual than in comparable social units without homosexual members. As a word of advice, I suggest you actually read and take a moment to digest the posts you reply to - your replies are often off-base and simplistic in a way that suggests you haven't actually considered what you're responding to...
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Did you use reason to decide what your sexual orientation is?
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: That's what many people would like me to believe, unfortunately for them and yourself, I can reason, and type up this letter to you on this device called a computer, designed by humans.
quote: What is natural is sometimes thought of what is a normalcy, or of regular occurence. In this case it's rare.
quote: Seeking out truth through experience of the outside world is 1up on the scientific method. Existentialism, through what I do, that is my reality. And this is why everything that I do matters, contrary to other animal's robot like functions. Social Darwinism enjoyed widespread popularity in some European circles, particularly among ruling elites during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. During this period the global recession of the 1870s encouraged a view of the world which saw societies or nations in competition with one another for survival in a hostile world. This attitude encouraged increasing militarization and the division of the world into colonial spheres of influence. The interpretation of social Darwinism of the time emphasized competition between species and races rather than cooperation.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
I used reason to come to the conclusion that homosexuality is nonsense, almost fully based on immediate gratification, or false inklings of what one thinks love is.
Social Darwinism enjoyed widespread popularity in some European circles, particularly among ruling elites during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. During this period the global recession of the 1870s encouraged a view of the world which saw societies or nations in competition with one another for survival in a hostile world. This attitude encouraged increasing militarization and the division of the world into colonial spheres of influence. The interpretation of social Darwinism of the time emphasized competition between species and races rather than cooperation.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: But wouldn't you agree that the evidence applies to humans as a whole, and singling male and male, female and female pairs would produce the same results?
quote: Sorry for the simple comebacks, but the masses are here to take me on.
quote: That doesn't make sense, more male and female pairs would greatly increase the population, a lot more effective than male and male, female and female. I am arguing that male and female pairs are more effective than male and male, female and female. Not generations with homosexuals are "better" than generations without.
quote: Ty fly guy. Social Darwinism enjoyed widespread popularity in some European circles, particularly among ruling elites during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. During this period the global recession of the 1870s encouraged a view of the world which saw societies or nations in competition with one another for survival in a hostile world. This attitude encouraged increasing militarization and the division of the world into colonial spheres of influence. The interpretation of social Darwinism of the time emphasized competition between species and races rather than cooperation.
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pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 6051 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: |
That's what many people would like me to believe, unfortunately for them and yourself, I can reason, and type up this letter to you on this device called a computer, designed by humans... everything that I do matters, contrary to other animal's robot like functions. Even such things as shitting, eating, sleeping, breathing, etc.? Is your shit divinely separate from that of all other animals? Does it smell like roses? Face it, you are part of nature. Simply the fact that you eat and shit makes you part of nature and the animal kingdom.
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
prophex writes:
Yet, to some animals we are far behind. We can't change sex. (Snails can.)
To other animals we are far beyond. We can reason. prophex writes: Homosexuality doesn't seem reasonable, it just doesn't make sense. Through seeing things so far, I understand that Man and Woman is the resonable fit in nature. This reasoning leaves the possibility of homosexuality pointless, or unproductive and without reason, or logic. So sex with someone of your own gender is not OK, is it? Has is not occurred to you that some people have sex because it feels good? How about sex with yourself? Don't tell me you never masturbate. O, but wait, that would of course be "pointless, or unproductive and without reason, or logic." Be honest, if not with us, then with yourself, and ask yourself, the next time you masturbate: "Why am I doing this?" The answer should tell you something not only about yourself, but about every other human being. Including homosexuals. We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richard Dawkins
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pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 6051 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: |
Sorry for the simple comebacks, but the masses are here to take me on. So rather reply incorrectly than not reply? Are you actually interested in a genuine discussion here? It is better to take time and write decent, well-thought out posts in reply to posts you have taken time to digest and ponder. The very reason "the masses are here to take you on" is because you are writing crappy posts that are easily countered, and deserve to be.
That doesn't make sense, more male and female pairs would greatly increase the population, a lot more effective than male and male, female and female. But that isn't reality, and it appears you should go back and read my explanation again. But here's an example to try to help explain: Ten potential male-female mating pairs exist in a small social group. In one group, all pair heterosexually, mate, and produce three progeny, for a total of thirty children. In a second group, because of some homosexual pairing, only seven matings occur, producing twenty-one progeny. At this point it would seem the purely heterosexual group has produced more children, but let's examine how many children actually survive to adulthood. In "group heterosexual" there are 1.5 children per adult caregiver, and a total of fifty mouths to feed. In "group part-homosexual" there is 1 child per adult caregiver, and a total of forty mouths to feed. Due to predation on the group (reduced by small child/adult ratio) and competition for scarce resources (compensated for by fewer mouths to feed), half of the children in "group heterosexual" die before adulthood, while only one child dies in "group part homosexual". So, the final tally:"group heterosexual" - 15 children "group part homosexual" - 20 children Which group was more successful? Did homosexuality serve a biological purpose?
I am arguing that male and female pairs are more effective than male and male, female and female. Not generations with homosexuals are "better" than generations without. In paired isolation, obviously male-female pairs would produce more kids than same-sex pairs. However, in some social species it appears that homosexual group members increase the number of surviving children for the group. If you aren't interested in looking at holistic effects on social groups across generations, you're not interested in looking at reality, and thus stuck in your hole of simplicity.
Ty fly guy. Thanks for the intelligent response.
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berberry Inactive Member |
prophex writes me:
quote: Then why are you only spouting meaningless drivel? If you want someone to understand what you're saying, try saying something that makes sense.
quote: Then you don't do a very good job of thinking because you presuppose that you know everything. Or do you just not understand the difference in an argument and a person?
quote: How do you know what any particular homosexual's true goals in life are, or what their purpose is? Have you asked any of them? Or do you just assume that you already know everything, like most other intellectually challenged right-wing fundies do?
quote: Perhaps you could ask a homosexual that question rather than arrogantly assuming that you already know the answer.
quote: So, two gay men who have been together for, say, 20 years or more have a pointless relationship, while the relationship between a whore and a john, so long as it's male-female, has meaning? You really don't think very much, do you? Keep America Safe AND Free!
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mick Member (Idle past 5015 days) Posts: 913 Joined: |
Homosexuality doesn't seem reasonable, it just doesn't make sense Prophex, open your eyes and look at the natural world. You will find plenty of examples of animals (within aves, mammalia and hymenoptera, for example) which forgo reproduction. Their genes appear to reproduce themselves rather successfully. mick
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berberry Inactive Member |
prophex writes me:
quote:quote: Like the same things that heterosexuals are interested in. Do you honestly not understand this or are you just pretending to be dumb?
quote: I'll decide when I'm offended, k? You need an attitude adjustment. All I've seen from you thus far is arrogant bullshit. You have no idea what you're talking about, yet you think you know everything there is to know about homosexuality and all homosexuals. Have you ever spoken to a homosexual and asked any of these questions? Or do you really think you already know everything? Keep America Safe AND Free!
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: And ignore the bigger entities that seperate me from the other animals? In me taking part of Christianity alone hugely seperates me on a spiritual level. Social Darwinism enjoyed widespread popularity in some European circles, particularly among ruling elites during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. During this period the global recession of the 1870s encouraged a view of the world which saw societies or nations in competition with one another for survival in a hostile world. This attitude encouraged increasing militarization and the division of the world into colonial spheres of influence. The interpretation of social Darwinism of the time emphasized competition between species and races rather than cooperation.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: I was asking you. You seem to instead of reply, and develop a response go straight to the insults... I hate to complain but please treat me with some level of respect.
quote: That's sasquatch's line, sheesh you're not even original. (Referring to "drivel", saw pink write it in another topic, found myself laughing.)
quote: Please don't classify me with your mundane systems. If being in a homosexual relationship has provided anything other than immediate gratification or a false feeling of true love then, it may not be a hinderence. It remains a hinderence. Social Darwinism enjoyed widespread popularity in some European circles, particularly among ruling elites during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. During this period the global recession of the 1870s encouraged a view of the world which saw societies or nations in competition with one another for survival in a hostile world. This attitude encouraged increasing militarization and the division of the world into colonial spheres of influence. The interpretation of social Darwinism of the time emphasized competition between species and races rather than cooperation.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: Please, don't get hostile. Check the reply above. Social Darwinism enjoyed widespread popularity in some European circles, particularly among ruling elites during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. During this period the global recession of the 1870s encouraged a view of the world which saw societies or nations in competition with one another for survival in a hostile world. This attitude encouraged increasing militarization and the division of the world into colonial spheres of influence. The interpretation of social Darwinism of the time emphasized competition between species and races rather than cooperation.
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