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Author Topic:   What religious rights, if any, are currently being eroded in the USA?
nator
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Message 27 of 228 (102484)
04-24-2004 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Cold Foreign Object
04-23-2004 5:33 PM


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Crashfrog : If you want a piece of me then approach like a man and stop the intelligence-insulting
You know what would be "manly" to this woman, WT?
If you would support your assertions.
Ever.

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nator
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Message 103 of 228 (104927)
05-03-2004 11:45 AM


WT, it seems clear to me that you made the claim that religious rights were being eroded in the US long, long before you bothered to actually find out if that was actually true.
I also, I'm sorry to say, believe that you raised such a fuss over the title of the thread, with posts accusing others of this and that, in order to stall for time and distract from the issue of your evidence for your claims.
One would think that one making such a bold claim as yours that you had already investigated the matter and would have many examples ready to support it, but this isn't what has happened.
Instead, you seem to be desperately scrambling to find any barely-related evidence to support your position after you rashly made your claim without having any evidence in mind before you made it.
We would all have a great deal more respect for you if you were to have said, "You know, I was sure I was right, but I can't seem to find any evidence that religious rights are being eroded. I guess I spoke a little too soon."
This isn't likely to happen, is it?

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nator
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Message 172 of 228 (108611)
05-16-2004 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Cold Foreign Object
05-10-2004 5:42 PM


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The writers and framers of the Constitution did not intend the Contract to be used to erase the God of the Bible out of the State.
Are you saying that the Framers believed that the US should have a state religion, and that that religion should be Christianity?
quote:
The Constitution only filters God out when His enemies contort the terms to say so. I do not need a federal judge to come along and suddenly say that the Contract really says that the God of Genesis is to be erased from federally controlled entities.
What about other gods?
Several of the Framers were most definitely NOT Christian, and several were quite anti-religion as well.
They had just broken away from a country that required it's citizens to follow a state religion, and thay thought that was an infringement upon religious freedom, which is why they specifically made the provisions in our Constitution to keep religion OUT of government and government out of religion.
It's people like you, who decide that anybody who doesn't believe like you do is a "God hater", that the Framers wanted to protect our government from.
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I am for school prayer for only one reason: Because haters of God say the Constitution says it is unconstitutional.
OK.
Let's say your kid has to kneel and pray to Mecca 5 times a day while he's at school, or that he has to pray to the Goddess when he's at school.
Would you still support school prayer?
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A cross on federal/State property is not an endorsement of any religion
So, crosses are not representative of Christianity?
Wow, I had no idea.
That must mean that the star of David is not representative of Judaism, and that statues of Vishnu are not representative of Hindi, and that statues of the Buddha are not representative of Buddhism.
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nator
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Message 173 of 228 (108613)
05-16-2004 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Cold Foreign Object
05-13-2004 4:40 PM


It is plain from these and other sources that Madison believed that free exercise of religion had a higher and prior claim on mankind than civil obligation. He believed that the first duty of a good citizen was to his "Creator." Since every man may have a differing view on the nature of that obligation, the state is bound to step away as to judging the appropriateness of each other person's "free exercise" of religious opinion.
I added the bold.
Doesn't the part in bold strongly indicate that, in a society of religious freedom, the state must not endorse or promote or be involved at all in the free exercise of religious opinion by it's citizens?
Can you please explain how putting a cross or the ten commandments on public property is NOT a government endorsement of Christianity over all other religions?

Critical thinkers and skeptics don't create answers just to manage their anxiety--Karla McLaren

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