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Author Topic:   separation of church and state - a christian perspective please.
deerbreh
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Message 12 of 64 (222196)
07-06-2005 2:16 PM


For those who think "under God" in the pledge is ok
'The legislative history of the 1954 act stated that the hope was to "acknowledge the dependence of our people and our Government upon the Creator [and] deny the atheistic and materialistic concept of communism."' - David Greenberg
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2067499
Sure sounds like Congress was trying to establish a religion to me.

  
deerbreh
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Message 19 of 64 (222212)
07-06-2005 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Tal
07-06-2005 2:35 PM


Tal asks (regarding Ten Commandments Monuments)
"So what law did congress make respecting the establishment of a religion?"
Tal, I am sure you are aware that the establishment clause has long been held by the SCOTUS to apply to state and local governments as well as Congress itself. Or are you saying that the Ten Commandments are not religious? Otherwise, you are interpreting the clause rather narrowly, imo. The SCOTUS is of course itself conflicted on this. In the recent rulings they seem to be saying, "If the monument has been there for a long time and it seems to have more of a historical and cultural context it is ok but if you are erecting a monument today for the purpose of getting the Ten Commandments into the public space we are going to make you take it down." Actually I think that is a reasonable position to take.

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deerbreh
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Message 21 of 64 (222218)
07-06-2005 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Chiroptera
07-06-2005 3:21 PM


You are correct. I should have pointed that out. Thanks.

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