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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Silent H writes: That's not what nator said. NJ continually makes that argument that homosexuality is no different that rape or bestiality. He has been told that the difference is "consent". It's not a matter of many people claiming to be "right" while NJ is "wrong"...it's that his question has been answered...repeatedly...over and over...a lot. Being told many times by many people does not mean they are right, and the single person wrong. You (and possibly NJ) now want to argue the definition of consent, when I think any normal person following along knows exactly what is meant within the context of the debate (you know...the "place" where his question has been answered...repeatedly...over and over...a lot).
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Nemesis Juggernaut writes: You crack me up. The problem is that in mid-flight, he starts making these subtle gestures where he is rubbing his finger in a phallic manner. Its obvious enough that he's obviously signaling me, but subtle enough to where if I called him out on it he would just play dumb. Wait...did you get his autograph? What was it like flying on the same plane with a famous Republican Senator?? Edited by FliesOnly, : To fix a spelling error
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Silent H writes: Aren't all answers answered with words?
Yeah, but they are just saying a word, which is not an answer. Silent H writes: But that still is meaningless to the discussion. The question deals with how we, here in the U.S., address the concept of "gay marriage". To claim, as NJ does, that legalizing gay marriage will lead to all other forms of marriage is a bit ridiculous. Plus...who cares! If some dude wants to marry his sheep, who am I to stop him? If some lady wants to leave all of her money to her 149 cats...what do I care? It's his life and it's her money. You say normal, but I just said that across sections of europe bestiality is legal. To them homosexuality is the same as bestiality. Are they not normal? Also, you neglected to include the last portion of my quote when you discuss "normal".Silent H writes: Who cares what those in Europe think...within the context of THIS discussion. You say normal...FliesOnly writes: I think any normal person following along knows exactly what is meant within the context of the debate... As for that Obama guy...I'm still not decided. I liked him at first...cuz he was atypical. But lately he seems to be adopting the same ole style as every other campaigning Politician. To me, he has lost his individuality and is now just another "one of the guys"...so to speak.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
nator writes: Boy, I sure am glad you cleared that up...cuz when/if you talk about a sheep, a one year old child, sexual intercourse, and consent, in the same sentence and/or paragraph, I usually am completely incapable of following your train of thought because I have no idea what you could conceivably mean by the use of the word "consent" within the context of those circumstances. But now I understand, thank you oh so much.
I am specifically referring to the ability to give informed consent to sexual intercourse for the purpose of discussion. nator writes: Well if you provided a written consent form and a crayon to a one year old...and he (or she) scribbles something, then I guess that perhaps NJ might consider that as having given his (or her) consent to sexual intercourse...otherwise I still haven't the foggiest idea why NJ would be so afraid of gay marriage. Can a five year old child give informed consent to sexual intercourse? By the way, the Onion article was friggen hilarious.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Nemesis Juggernaut writes: When did I say it was immoral to have sex with animals (and I presume you mean animals other than humans)? You may think it's immoral...but I never said that I did. Hey, if the sheep don't care, why should I care?
Listen up... You say it is immoral to have sex with animals only because they can't give an informed consent. Fine. NJ writes: I'm confused...what's your point? Are you now comparing gay marriage to being a carnivore?
But let me ask you, do you get their consent when you slaughter them so you can consume their flesh? NJ writes: But I'm not talking about morals. I'm trying to figure out why you can't see the differences between gay marriage, having sex with a sheep, and having sex with a one year old child. To equate them is ridiculous. Therefore, consent is a slippery slope argument, and it does NOT qualify or disqualify a moral. To get this somewhat back on topic...you said in another post that the clincher for you would be whether or not Obama could run the Country effectively. So, would it matter to you one way or another if he were gay? And let’s further suppose that he then went on to say that as President, he’d fight for a Constitutional Amendment to allow for gay marriage. What then?
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Kucinich, while perhaps the most up front and honest candidate is, I feel, unelectable. Plus, I do not agree with some of his major tenets. The war, for example. While I'm opposed to the war, (and think (wish) Bush and Cheney should both be impeached for their actions regarding not only the war, but a few other "events" as well...can you say Valerie Plame), I am also of the opinion that we simply cannot pull out. Don't take this to mean that I think we should follow along at the status quo...far from it. But I'm afraid that we also cannot leave. I think we are stuck there for the foreseeable future. And just to show what a sexist pig I can be...I will state for the record that if Kucincih were elected President, we'd also have a damned nice First Lady .
As for Richardson...to be honest, I do not know enough about him yet. I will look more deeply at each candidate as our own Michigan Primary draws nearer. As for Obama (again)...I just don't feel that I trust him anymore. But hey, the vote isn't tomorrow.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
NJ writes: You're kidding...right?
nator writes: Nixon founded the EPA, OSHA, and the Endangered Species Act. Nixon is considered a pretty conservative Republican, yet he did all those things. nator writes: Can you imagine the uproar in the Republican party if anything like this was proposed by any of them today? I think they'd all applaud. Who can find fault with a single one of those acts?
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
OK, so Barack made the whole "Kingdom on Earth" comment. Was anyone other than myself more disturbed by Mitt Romney's speech yesterday? Wow!
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
bluescat48 writes: I hope so. The idea that the he thinks you MUST be religious to be President...and the idea that he believes that our founding fathers wanted religion in Government...wow...just wow. Typical political doubletalkTo be honest, I wasn't going to vote for him anyway...but now, I'm actually hoping that no one votes for him. The possibility of him being President is a scary thought to me. Not because he's Mormon...I could not care less...but rather because he apparently wants to put an end to a secular government.
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