Far left - US/UK definition

you mean "socialism." communism is like socialism, without the regulation and law. "communism."This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 07-23-2005 03:04 PM

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yes, and no. it creates the most wealth to a certain point, but free and private enterprise is one of those systems that inherently fails. it encourages mergers and buyouts and monopolies, which actually hamper the system itself, not to mention the economic output. while the anti-corporatists (aka environmentalists) tend to be a litte nuts, the point is somewhat true. we do need some checks.the trick is to find a healthy balance. this is why i've come to describe myself as a moderate. i'm suspicious of government -- but my ideas are usually liberal. i want less government power, a conservative position, but i also want better social programs. which i'm not totally sure you can even have together.

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do i need to even make an argument here?

but fox is so easy to chortle away smugly at. let's reverse the question. what is it about fox that makes it identify everything else as leftist? if everything is left of something, what might we infer logically about its position? i'm not sure how exactly far left the gaurdian is, because i don't read it. they strike me as a moderate, though, somewhere in the middle. but let's look at some of the stuff that's actually pretty far left and easily identifiable.would we agree that this is a good deal further left?unlike most of the right, i've been to my share of protests and rallies. i've met and talked to rabid environmentalist hippies who smell. i've seen the rags that get passed around, and read a few of them. there's a lot further on the left end of the spectrum. but the radical right has only one view: left of us. and nearly everyone is. it's almost elitists, actually.for instance, you called the supreme court leftist. the supreme court had (and likely will continue to have) 5 conservatives and 4 liberals, and it's likely to continue it's surrent mode of judicial restraint -- which is conservative. it might be "left of you" but it's not "left." it's still over the line that divides right and left.

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hey! no! excuse me.i showed you something on the far left. see the thread title? the idea is that we are going to try to establish the range of the mainstream philosophies, and the find the middle ground between the two.

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facts are leftist.

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sadly, i think you have.This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 07-23-2005 07:56 PM

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we have a label fetish here in the us. we like to label and clearly define people in pre-defined terms, view points, diseases, etc. we then basically stick to those labels faithfully. a "right" person always votes "right."i don't know why this is.

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lmao.

no, that's socialism. communism has no government ownership of anything, because there is no government. many governments have called themselves communist, but none were. because none can be.

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i didn't notice this at first.anyways, we have this thing called the fourteenth amendment that says basically that "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;"meaning that roe v. wade is not and cannot be a state vs federal claim over rights. roe v. wade says that the government -- including state governments -- does not have the right to intrude on a woman's internal anatomy, barring a strongly compelling state interest. the "compelling" nature of that interest in the preservation of life, they ruled, increases as the term goes on.-- but it's not a federalist/confederalist debate.

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show me something from cnn that's anti-iraq. and reporting accurate facts does not count. i shouldn't have to explain why. show me something from cnn that's anti-american.just keep throwign around these extremely biased assertions. wanna know something? i don;t trust cnn that much either. ... because i think they're right-biased.

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i'm gonna go out on a limb here and agree with faith. this is a rare occasion, just so you know. like i said, in america we assign labels. and in america, we don't judge policies by what they are but by who says them -- so there's "stuff the liberals say" and "stuff the conservatives say." not "a liberal idea" or "a conservative idea." in america, left = liberal and right = conservative. it's just the words we use really, and doesn't actually have the distinctive house of commons/house of lords seating arrangement in mind (although i do think the democracts do sit on the left, and the republicans sit on the right. anyone know for sure? i forget my history of seating charts at the moment)anyhow, the typical extremist liberal (citizen, not politician) is for:multiculturalim
anti-imperialism
militant feminism
gay rights
pro-choice.now, the important distinction here is that anti-imperialism is NOT anti-american. a good many foundign fathers were isolationists. since faith never answered my t/f question, i'll spoil the answer. false. the us did not aid in the french revolution in return for french aid in the american. they thought it was not the business of our new country to get involved in the affairs of other. this was the philosophy of the first few sitting presidents. they had just ESCAPED an imperial power -- england -- that was most certainly anti-american.to say that this position is anti-american is to literally call george washington himself anti-american.

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write to your congressman.there are things that the constitution specifically proscribes the federal government from doing, and reserves for states rights. the 14th ammendment means that the bill of rights does not just apply to federal gov't.without it, we could concievably have a state law that limits political speech, and it would be ok. just as long as the federal government doesn't do it. but we are federalist nation, and not a confederation of independent states.do you REALLY want the 14th amendment repealed?This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 07-24-2005 04:27 AM

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and the same can be said for the right too. mmhmm.

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