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Author Topic:   Commonalities Of Accounts Of A Universal Flood?
Hyroglyphx
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Message 66 of 92 (354546)
10-05-2006 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
10-02-2006 2:31 PM


Flood stories
How widespread are stories of a universal flood? What do they have in common besides a big flood?
I think there is good evidence that there was a massive flood at one time that wiped out many nations. Skeptics have conceded that a huge flood did strike the Mesopotamian region and attribute the stories about the Flood to the Sumerians, Akkadians, Babylonians, etc. Obviously the Epic of Gilgamesh is an attractive starting point after looking at the geological record. But to stop merely at the Mesopotamian valleys does no good when we see just how many stories concerning the Deluge exist, and how the cultures representing them are separated by oceans, mountain ranges, or other geological formations that would prohibit certain cultures intermingling.
Though most of the stories have synthesized and distorted, there is a common theme that links them together. A righteous man, a vessel of some kind, a worldwide flood, the origin of the deluge was supernatural in origin. It would seem like a fantastic coincidence that so many cultures have reported on the same things unless they were all initially bound together at first. Decide for yourselves. The Flood is certainly, at the very least, has a measure of truth. How much are you willing to accept or reject?
FLOOD STORIES

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 70 of 92 (354556)
10-05-2006 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by iceage
10-05-2006 6:50 PM


Re: Flood stories and more Babel
One interesting fact is that there may be common flood stories but no worldwide tower of babel stories.
There are stories of both chronicled by Josephus. These were words were written nearly 2,000 years ago which gives him and his era a far greater insight to the histories of the world than you or I.
ANTEDILUVIAN ERA:
"Now all the writers of barbarian histories make mention of this flood, and of this ark; among whom is Berosus the Chaldean. For when he is describing the circumstances of the flood, he goes on thus: "It is said there is still some part of this ship in Armenia, at the mountain of the Cordyaeans; and that some people carry off pieces of the bitumen, which they take away, and use chiefly as amulets for the averting of mischiefs." Hieronymus the Egyptian also, who wrote the Phoenician Antiquities, and Mnaseas, and a great many more, make mention of the same. Nay, Nicolaus of Damascus, in his ninety-sixth book, hath a particular relation about them; where he speaks thus: "There is a great mountain in Armenia, over Minyas, called Baris, upon which it is reported that many who fled at the time of the Deluge were saved; and that one who was carried in an ark came on shore upon the top of it; and that the remains of the timber were a great while preserved. This might be the man about whom Moses the legislator of the Jews wrote."
POSTDILUVIAN ERA
"Now it was Nimrod who excited them to such an affront and contempt of God. He was the grandson of Ham, the son of Noah, a bold man, and of great strength of hand. He persuaded them not to ascribe it to God, as if it was through his means they were happy, but to believe that it was their own courage which procured that happiness. He also gradually changed the government into tyranny, seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God, but to bring them into a constant dependence on his power. He also said he would be revenged on God, if he should have a mind to drown the world again; for that he would build a tower too high for the waters to be able to reach! and that he would avenge himself on God for destroying their forefathers!
Now the multitude were very ready to follow the determination of Nimrod, and to esteem it a piece of cowardice to submit to God; and they built a tower, neither sparing any pains, nor being in any degree negligent about the work: and, by reason of the multitude of hands employed in it, it grew very high, sooner than any one could expect; but the thickness of it was so great, and it was so strongly built, that thereby its great height seemed, upon the view, to be less than it really was. It was built of burnt brick, cemented together with mortar, made of bitumen, that it might not be liable to admit water. When God saw that they acted so madly, he did not resolve to destroy them utterly, since they were not grown wiser by the destruction of the former sinners; but he caused a tumult among them, by producing in them divers languages, and causing that, through the multitude of those languages, they should not be able to understand one another. The place wherein they built the tower is now called Babylon, because of the confusion of that language which they readily understood before; for the Hebrews mean by the word Babel, confusion. The Sibyl also makes mention of this tower, and of the confusion of the language, when she says thus: "When all men were of one language, some of them built a high tower, as if they would thereby ascend up to heaven, but the gods sent storms of wind and overthrew the tower, and gave every one his peculiar language; and for this reason it was that the city was called Babylon." But as to the plan of Shinar, in the country of Babylonia, Hestiaeus mentions it, when he says thus: "Such of the priests as were saved, took the sacred vessels of Jupiter Enyalius, and came to Shinar of Babylonia."
-Flavius Josephus

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