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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It certainly sounds like you haven't.
Almost any observant Jew will tell you that the Talmud is authoritative and interprets the Old Testament, although there are degrees of authoritativeness different groups recognize. Hell, anyone, Jewish or otherwise will tell you that the Talmud is a collection of arguments about what the laws meant. Far from being authoritive, it is the epitome of debate and discussion. It is the very tradition that Jesus used in so many of his discussions and parables. Reject the Talmud? Hell no, Jesus embraced the Talmud and all it stood for. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
and there is absolutely no condemnation of Judaism in any of them.
What is clear in the statements of Jesus is a condemnation of behaviours, of placing the tenets of the religion ahead of following the spirit, of loving the religion more than man. If Jesus returned today he would likely say the same thing about Christianity, he would speak out against the televangelists and other harlots like Swaggart, Robertson, Falwell, Dobson, Phelps, Roberts and Bakker. He would be condemning groups like Focus on the Family and the 700 Club and all the other exclusionary, intolerant organizations that use religion to separate man from GOD. No, there is nothing in the Bible that even hints that Judaism is a False Religion. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Fine except everything you posted shows exactly what we've been telling you all along.
The Talmud was not the Oral Law. In fact it's commentary on the law with differing opinions and interpretations from differing rabbis. There is no support for your assertion that Judaism is a false religion or that Jesus condemned Judaism. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
In your quotes and links which you have provided all you have shown is that Jesus condemned the Pharisees and Sadducees for their behavior, not their beliefs. The links to the Talmud simply show that at the time Rabbis were trying to figure out what the Laws meant. The Talmud contains many discussions and opinions on a variety of subjects ranging from what makes a valid contract to how to determine dates to practical considerations of celebrations based on whether you live in the country, a village or a walled city.
No where have you shown Jesus saying or even implying that Judaism is a False Religion. In fact, your quotes show just the opposite. Jesus actually directs the people to do what the Pharisees and Sadducees say as opposed to behaving like them. He indorsed Judaism.
You can still believe Judaism instead of the New Testament. You shouldn't of course, for the sake of your immortal soul, but you are quite free to do so. Nonsense. Jesus specifically says that salvation is based on behavior and makes no mention of belief. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Matthew 25:31-46
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
That's what is so great about the Bible. You can prove anything using it. LOL And John 8 says you will die in your sins.
23And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. 26I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. Nothing there about being damned or not saved while Matthew 25 specifically says it is behavior not belief. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: He endorsed the Torah, the word of God, not Judaism. Since the Pharisees occupied the seat of Moses they were to be respected, and their teachings on Torah obeyed. But this is just the first few lines of Matthew 23. You are ignoring the main part, from verse 13 on, where He pronounces the "eight woes" on the Pharisees for their additions to the Torah. Please point out in the above where Jesus says that Judaism is a False Religion. You still have been unable to provide any support. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You can't use one part of the Bible against another. You can't deny that belief is essential by pointing out that works also count. Of course they count, they follow from faith. I can't? Sorry. Must have missed that rule. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I believe that you believe you have made a case.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen it. Jesus condemned the Pharisees and Sadduccees, called them hypocrites. He did not condemn Juadism and you have been unable to show where he did. It was not Judaism that he condemned but the hypocracy of some of the priests. It is the same as today, when hypocrites like the televangelists, the 700 Club, Focus on the Family, God Hates Fags, Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jim Bakker, Dobson, Bob Jones and other hypocrites would be condemned by Jesus. It's not Christianity that he would condemn, but those priests and ministers who pervert it. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The funny thing is that JEWS AND CHRISTIANS WORSHIP THE SAME FREAKING GOD! Yup, and Muslims as well. One GOD, three religions. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Jesus condemned the Pharisees for practicing what today's practitioners of Judaism continue to practice. Open and shut. So now maybe you can support that today's practitioners of Judaism continue to practice the same things that Jesus criticized the Pharisees and Sadduccees about? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And so let's add even more qualifiers.
Sure, jar, I already did. Sorry you missed it. All that material from the Talmud which you know very well is binding on today's observant Jews. And again, there is not one opinion in the Talmud but a whole collection of discussion and interpretation. And you still have not shown that it was the Talmud that Jesus was talking about. In fact, Jesus himself often used Talmudic Discourse to make a point. Creating circles of unsupported assertions does not make a case stronger Faith. LOL Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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