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jar
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Message 46 of 116 (287158)
02-15-2006 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Faith
02-15-2006 10:26 PM


Re: Still have not shown any support.
Matthew 25:31-46
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
That's what is so great about the Bible. You can prove anything using it. LOL
And John 8 says you will die in your sins.
23And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
26I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Nothing there about being damned or not saved while Matthew 25 specifically says it is behavior not belief.

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Faith 
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Message 47 of 116 (287160)
02-15-2006 10:37 PM
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02-15-2006 10:34 PM


Re: Still have not shown any support.
You can't use one part of the Bible against another. You can't deny that belief is essential by pointing out that works also count. Of course they count, they follow from faith.

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jar
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Message 48 of 116 (287161)
02-15-2006 10:37 PM
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02-15-2006 10:30 PM


Re: Still have not shown any support.
Faith writes:
He endorsed the Torah, the word of God, not Judaism. Since the Pharisees occupied the seat of Moses they were to be respected, and their teachings on Torah obeyed. But this is just the first few lines of Matthew 23. You are ignoring the main part, from verse 13 on, where He pronounces the "eight woes" on the Pharisees for their additions to the Torah.
Please point out in the above where Jesus says that Judaism is a False Religion.
You still have been unable to provide any support.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 49 of 116 (287162)
02-15-2006 10:39 PM
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02-15-2006 10:37 PM


Re: Still have not shown any support.
You can't use one part of the Bible against another. You can't deny that belief is essential by pointing out that works also count. Of course they count, they follow from faith.
I can't? Sorry. Must have missed that rule.

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Faith 
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Message 50 of 116 (287163)
02-15-2006 10:40 PM
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02-15-2006 10:37 PM


Re: Still have not shown any support.
I've made the case, jar, but you stubbornly refuse to see it. Judaism is based on those additions to the Torah that Jesus condemned. They were the oral teachings of the Pharisees in His time that became the written commentaries on the Torah afterward. That is Judaism. Jesus denounced the practices that define Judaism, the obsessional rules about the Sabbath and handwashing and so on. It's been proved over and over but I guess you will just go on denying it.

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 51 of 116 (287165)
02-15-2006 10:44 PM


Once again
We again have proof that people can make the bible say anything they want it to.
At least it's nice to know that drinking is encouraged in the bible...
The funny thing is that JEWS AND CHRISTIANS WORSHIP THE SAME FREAKING GOD!

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jar
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Message 52 of 116 (287167)
02-15-2006 10:50 PM
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02-15-2006 10:40 PM


Re: Still have not shown any support.
I believe that you believe you have made a case.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen it. Jesus condemned the Pharisees and Sadduccees, called them hypocrites. He did not condemn Juadism and you have been unable to show where he did. It was not Judaism that he condemned but the hypocracy of some of the priests. It is the same as today, when hypocrites like the televangelists, the 700 Club, Focus on the Family, God Hates Fags, Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jim Bakker, Dobson, Bob Jones and other hypocrites would be condemned by Jesus. It's not Christianity that he would condemn, but those priests and ministers who pervert it.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 53 of 116 (287168)
02-15-2006 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
02-15-2006 10:44 PM


Re: Once again
The funny thing is that JEWS AND CHRISTIANS WORSHIP THE SAME FREAKING GOD!
Yup, and Muslims as well. One GOD, three religions.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Faith 
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Message 54 of 116 (287169)
02-15-2006 10:54 PM
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02-15-2006 10:50 PM


Re: Still have not shown any support.
I'm sure Jesus condemns many so-called Christians too, jar, but probably not the ones you have in mind.
Jesus condemned the Pharisees for practicing what today's practitioners of Judaism continue to practice. Open and shut.

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Message 55 of 116 (287170)
02-15-2006 10:55 PM
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02-15-2006 10:44 PM


Re: Once again
When you've studied the religions in question, then you may have some justification for commenting, but it's best to avoid it when you come from complete ignorance.
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jar
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Message 56 of 116 (287171)
02-15-2006 11:02 PM
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02-15-2006 10:54 PM


Now a NEW unsupported assertion.
Jesus condemned the Pharisees for practicing what today's practitioners of Judaism continue to practice. Open and shut.
So now maybe you can support that today's practitioners of Judaism continue to practice the same things that Jesus criticized the Pharisees and Sadduccees about?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 57 of 116 (287172)
02-15-2006 11:05 PM
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02-15-2006 10:55 PM


Re: Once again
***** YAWN ******
Another personal insult...Luckily, the mods feel a court jester is needed around here so you get to hang around.
I look at it very simply - both religions hold the old testament as divine. Therefore they both worship the god of the old testament.
So either the god of the old testament is NOT the christian god or the jews and christians worship the same god.

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Faith 
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Message 58 of 116 (287173)
02-15-2006 11:05 PM
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02-15-2006 11:02 PM


Re: Now a NEW unsupported assertion.
Sure, jar, I already did. Sorry you missed it. All that material from the Talmud which you know very well is binding on today's observant Jews.

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Faith 
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Message 59 of 116 (287175)
02-15-2006 11:06 PM
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02-15-2006 11:05 PM


Re: Once again
God gets to say whether He is worshiped rightly or not, that's the point, and without Jesus Christ nobody can worship Him rightly.
You obviously haven't studied much of the religions, so how is it an insult to say so?
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arachnophilia
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Message 60 of 116 (287176)
02-15-2006 11:08 PM
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02-15-2006 11:05 PM


Re: Once again
So either the god of the old testament is NOT the christian god or the jews and christians worship the same god.
well, no, see, the jews DID worship the right god, but then god (who is always the same) changed and they just didn't keep up with him.


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