General discussion of moderation procedures - Part 7

I have said as much in the past.You may be a very nice person with whom I could get along with great outside this forum. I don't hate you. I DO find your position on many topics to be disgusting. This is also true for one of my best friends who shares a lot of your ideas about theology and creationism. We often fight often very intensly about the same issues that go on here but then afterward there is no problem in sitting down with a soda and watching a movie together.My post was about the stereotypical fundamentalist position which includes what I have garnered and combined from the people here, Kent Hovind, the Dover Board of Education, the Kansas Board of Education, Ron Wyatt, IRC, AIG, etc.If you choose to take it personally then that is not my problem. There are plenty of times where you say things about my "position" that sort of get to me too. But who am I to complain about how you feel about theological evolution. You are welcome to believe anything you like about that and you let people like Jar and I know what you think of TE all the time.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Sorry Buz I disagree.I specificaly said that I have discovered the bankruptcy of THE POSITION not the people. I mentioned no one and no one person has caused me to form that opinion.I do not feel I am breaking that rule because I am not arguing any person. I am arguing against the position of fundamentalism. It is my opinion that fundamentalism is negative in the ways I described in my post. People who are fundamentalist are free to consider my position of a theistic evolutionist a "compromise/sham/etc" I would not think that they are attacking me personally.If you want to suspend me I will appeal on those grounds.---------------------------------I wanted this to be here to formally protest AdminBuz's moderator action.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Now THAT is attacking the person and not the position. Very explicitly you are calling me "without Christ", "Christ-hating", and "blind".Even in the depths of my loathing for fundamentalism I would never presume to call anyone who considers themselves a fundamentalist not a real Christian. Where you get off calling me a Christ-hater when I very explicitly stated that I am still a believer is really quite typical. The only thing I have to judge about the reponse to my post from those who have been offended in some way is that pretty much I was right.---------------------------------Also moved here to be on topic and to point out the IMO unbalanced moderation on that thread. No where did I attack a person. Iano specifically does.I don't particularly care if anything happens to iano. I just wanted to point out that the only people who are breaking the forum guidelines seem to be people who have problems with my post.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

I would like an opinion of another non-biased moderator before I refrain from similarly voicing my opinion about fundamentalism in the future. I feel that it is perfectly valid to attack fundamentalism as a concept attributing to it whatever seems appropriate to me. I did not attack anyone. If anyone felt offended because they adhere to the same kind of fundamentalism that I was talking about then that is their fault for making that connection, not mine.I will not accept an admonishment however mild on this without further validation.Edited by Jazzns, : No reason given.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

NO it most specifically did not! If asked to clarify I would have identified who I specifically think is mentally ill. It just so happens that I was thinking of Kent Hovind when I wrote that statement.Is there a rule that we can't bash Kent Hovind?I am not asking admins to get into a public debate. I am asking another admin to clarify and support YOUR ruling of what I am and am not allowed to say on this forum about fundamentalism. Right now you are the lone authority coming down on me and I feel that it is NOT impartial.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Thank you Percy for that clarification. The first example is that I was going for. I just wanted to make sure I was not going to get suspended for saying anything else bad about fundamentalism. As I suspected, attacking the worldview IS far game as long as you are not attacking a particular person's incarnation of it.I started typing a more details response here that afterward I though would be better in the other thread. Message 99Edited by Jazzns, : No reason given.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

I am sorry. I couldn't just let that sit there. How the heck can I straw man my own message. That is just plain rediculous.What I said was that Kent Hovind was my motivation for the particular comment about mental illness.I might suggest Buz that if you are going to moderate effectivly that you please make a better effort to understand the posts for which you condemn.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

That thread can go on for many pages off topic about morality but then get closed because 1 poster goes off topic? It was just getting BACK on topic when deerbreh decided to join in.I was kind of hoping that deerbreh could follow up to my reply.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)