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Modulous
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Message 170 of 295 (525426)
09-23-2009 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by ochaye
09-23-2009 9:46 AM


Re: Methodological Naturalism
That, however, is not a satisfactory definition, because even those who believe in Jesus Christ do not accept it- and infamously fail to accept it, moreover. No denomination has a statement of faith anything like as brief as that- most run to several pages.
Becky Fischer was once a member of a ministry with the following Statement of Faith
quote:
We believe in one God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, creator of all things.
We believe the Bible in its entirety to be the only infallible, inspired, authoritative Word of God.
We believe in the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary. He was crucified, died, buried, resurrected, and then ascended into heaven and is now seated at the right hand of God the Father.
We believe in the resurrection of the saved and the lost: the saved to the resurrection of life, the lost to eternal death.
We believe in the personal salvation of believers through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
We believe in the Holy Spirit who leads and equips us to fulfill the will of the Father in our lives as recorded in Acts 1:8
We believe in the Christian's hope--the soon coming personal return of the Lord Jesus Christ.
We believe in healing, deliverance, and prosperity for the whole man: spirit, soul, and body.
I think most people would be comfortable with that being called a Christian denomination.
She started her own ministry Kids in Ministry International, whose statement of faith goes
quote:
We believe in one God who is eternally existent in three persons--Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Creator of all things.
We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, was crucified, died, was buried, was resurrected, ascended into heaven, and is now seated at the right hand of God the Father and is true God and true man.
We believe the Bible in its entirety to be the inspired Word of God and is our infallible guide of faith and conduct.
We believe man was created in the image of God, but fell into sin, which resulted in his spiritual death and separation from God. Only through regeneration by the Holy Spirit can salvation and spiritual life be obtained. This process of regeneration, referred to as being "born again" in the Word, takes place through a combination of faith and confession.
We believe in the resurrection of the dead, the eternal happiness of the saved, and the eternal punishment of the lost.
We believe in sanctification through the Word of God and by the Holy Spirit, and we believe in personal holiness, purity of heart, and life.
We believe in personal salvation of believers through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
We believe in divine healing, through faith in the Name of Jesus Christ, and that healing is included in the Redemption.
We believe in water baptism, in the Baptism in the Holy Spirit as distinct from the New Birth, in speaking with tongues as the Spirit of God gives utterance (Acts 2:4), in the gifts of the Spirit, and the evidence of the fruit of the Spirit. We believe that all of these are available to believers.
We believe in the Christian's hope, which is the soon coming personal return of Jesus Christ.
which again I think everyone would universally describe as Christian. I think the general term for their denomination is Pentecostal, and I believe many would call themselves 'Evangelists' - though according to wiki some prefer 'restorationist'.
Of course, different denominations would disagree over what should be believed and how one should act. I think Becky Fischer's camp was run by a Christian group and I think it probably falls under the umbrella of "Evangelical" as Percy probably meant it in the OP.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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Message 173 of 295 (525475)
09-23-2009 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by ochaye
09-23-2009 12:24 PM


fear as a psychological tool
I think most people would be comfortable with that being called a Christian denomination.
Most rich people, sure! The salient question is, would evangelicals be comfortable with it? Would Protestants be comfortable with it? I don't think so, because neither has ever included 'healing, deliverance, and prosperity for the whole man: spirit, soul, and body' in their historic statements of faith. Prosperity teaching has been highly controversial, and condemned by evangelicals and many besides, including Catholics, as a modern perversion.
Sounds to me like you are saying that because there are denominations there is no such thing as Christianity. Which, while I essentially agree with it, simply adds unnecessary complication to most discourse.
Theologians do not take them seriously
Theologians don't seem to take a lot of lay-beliefs seriously. I'm not sure what that has to do with whether the label 'Christian' or 'evangelical' is an appropriate one.
If these are their beliefs, they are firmly opposed to evangelicalism and Protestantism. With their brain-washing, they are indeed a social menace, and their political inspiration is what needs investigation, because they are incompetents in theology.
Whatever you want to call them, it seems that they are one (extreme) example of the kind of thing under discussion (ie., converting children using fear as a tactic).

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