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Evangelical Indoctrination of Children

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bluescat48
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Message 50 of 295 (523950)
09-13-2009 4:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 49 by Hyroglyphx
09-13-2009 4:41 PM

Re: Instruction vs indoctrination
where lies the critical difference between instruction and indoctrination?
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When the child is told "This is the absolute truth, you cannot question it," as I was told at the age of 5.
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Edited by bluescat48, : missing word.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
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Message 66 of 295 (523988)
09-13-2009 11:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 54 by ochaye
09-13-2009 4:48 PM

Re: Instruction vs indoctrination
By a Christian, in your view?
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Let's see. It was in a Christian Church School. I guess that it would have been by a Christian, there is no evidence that the school was infiltrated by any other group.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
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Message 67 of 295 (523989)
09-13-2009 11:38 PM 		Reply to: Message 55 by Hyroglyphx
09-13-2009 4:48 PM

Re: Instruction vs indoctrination
So just as long as they can question what truth is, then someone can instruct and it would not be considered indoctrination?
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That is the point.
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They told you what the "Truth" was. Whether it is or not is irrelevant, you could not question it. The point this is the truth, that's it, no questions allowed. That, in my book, is indoctrination.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Message 102 of 295 (524184)
09-14-2009 6:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 91 by slevesque
09-14-2009 10:02 AM

Re: Instruction vs indoctrination
Wanting evolution to be taught as the truth, with no questions allowed, is also indoctrination as per your standard, no ?
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Not as truth, but as the establshed robust theory it is as opposed to ID , which is nothing more that creation (the wolf ) in sheep's clothing (ID). Creation isn't science therefore doesn't belong in a science class. It has nothing to do with truth which is a relative term depending on who is using whatever as "The Truth."
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Edited by bluescat48, : typoooooo
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
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Message 106 of 295 (524203)
09-14-2009 8:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 103 by slevesque
09-14-2009 7:34 PM

Re: Instruction vs indoctrination
including examining all sides of scientific evidence of those explanations so as to encourage critical thinking by the students
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This is the line. particularly "all sides." The creo thinking is that creation is science and therefore should be included. Clarifying the term "all sides" with something like "all scientific theories so as to..." would, though have the same meaning, simply give that science only in a science class.
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bluescat48
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Message 120 of 295 (524296)
09-15-2009 5:48 PM 		Reply to: Message 118 by slevesque
09-15-2009 4:42 PM

Re: Instruction vs indoctrination
Would you find it appropriate to talk about irreducible complexity, Intelligent Design, etc. in a religious class ?
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Yes because it is creation not science.
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Nonetheless, my opinion is that you do not teach things to children when they do not have the mental capabilities to question it. Teaching things to kids when they are not mentally able to express critical thinking on the subject equals indoctrination in my book.
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Which is what I said about religion classes to 5 year olds in the first place.
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Bluescat in message 50 writes:
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When the child is told "This is the absolute truth, you cannot question it," as I was told at the age of 5.
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Edited by bluescat48, : typo'sssss
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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