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Author Topic:   Is faith the answer to cognitive dissonance?
ringo
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Message 163 of 227 (722549)
03-22-2014 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Phat
03-20-2014 2:20 PM


Re: Blessed will be the honest skeptic
Phat writes:
I suppose it all depends how seriously we take Jesus--be He actually alive, as I believe...or whether He is simply a character in a story. Even if the latter were true, the character considers faith without evidence to be a blessed trait.
Long John Silver considers stealing gold doubloons to be a blessed trait. We need something beyond somebody else's opinion - even God's opinion - to tell us what really is blessed.

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ringo
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Message 166 of 227 (722632)
03-23-2014 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Faith
03-22-2014 1:20 PM


Re: The "honest skeptic" gets no praise from me: Scripture says Believe
Faith writes:
... you seem to have fallen for the EvC debunkery bit that says witness evidence isn't evidence.
It isn't that witness evidence isn't evidence. The question is whether your claimed witnesses were actually witnesses.

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ringo
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Message 188 of 227 (722706)
03-24-2014 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Faith
03-24-2014 9:51 AM


Re: Why Not?
Faith writes:
... I have the single standard that the Bible reveals the truth...
So you have a circular standard. The Bible is true because the Bible says it's true and there's "tons" of evidence in the Bible that the Bible is reliable.

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ringo
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Message 202 of 227 (722845)
03-25-2014 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by Faith
03-24-2014 5:35 PM


Re: Why Not?
Faith writes:
Someone said I have a double standard so I answered no, my standard is single.
I know your standard is single. I was pointing out that it's a poor standard. A double standard would be better if one of them was reliable - at least you'd be right half of the time.
Faith writes:
Oh there's tons of evidence outside the Bible that the Bible is true too.
There's evidence outside the Bible that some of the Bible is true - e.g. the city of Jerusalem exists. The only evidence you have that all of the Bible is true is in the Bible. Hence, circularity.

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ringo
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Message 213 of 227 (723074)
03-26-2014 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Faith
03-26-2014 11:57 AM


Re: Why Not?
Faith writes:
These are probably all demonic tricks.
A demonic trick would still be a miracle.

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ringo
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Message 216 of 227 (723079)
03-26-2014 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by New Cat's Eye
03-26-2014 12:35 PM


Re: Why Not?
Catholic Scientist writes:
A miracle is defined as the God of the Bible suspending the laws of nature.
And a Scotsman is defined as somebody who eats his porridge in a certain way - nothing whatever to do with Scotland.

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ringo
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Message 217 of 227 (723081)
03-26-2014 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Faith
03-26-2014 12:45 PM


Re: Why Not?
Faith writes:
ringo writes:
A demonic trick would still be a miracle.
Not the way I'm using the word, and I think it's important to make the distinction. God produces miracles, but these other things aren't from God.
I know. You're using the word incorrectly. A miracle is a suspension of the laws of nature. You can distinguish between "Godly miracles" and "ungodly miracles" if you like but you can't just make up your own definitions.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 225 of 227 (723175)
03-27-2014 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 222 by Phat
03-26-2014 11:28 PM


Re: Why Not?
Phat writes:
I would argue that if God exists---apart from human legends and imaginings--it would be more likely that He found us long before we found Him.
But God finding us is irrelevant. God choosing us is irrelevant. The question is, "How do we know we've been found?"

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