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Author Topic:   Is faith the answer to cognitive dissonance?
cavediver
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Message 147 of 227 (558669)
05-03-2010 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by slevesque
05-03-2010 5:39 PM


Re: Duct Tape = ??
Summary elimination ? The results of more then 50 years of research into naturalistic abiogenesis (ever since Miller) show it is more then reasonable to inductively conclude that naturalistic abiogenesis is impossible.
Woah - that's some huge confirmation bias at work just because we don't have the mechanism sorted for abiogenesis does not mean thart we are not massively further ahead than we were 50 years ago! Is quantum gravity also "impossible" because after well over 50 years of trying, we still don't have the answer?
What is your "impossible" step? Chirality? There are several proposed mechanisms. The development of proto-genetics? There are several proposed mechanisms. The stability of proto-cells? There are several proposed mechanisms.
To declare naturalistic abiogenesis as "impossible" suggests you have much to learn of science. To be taken seriously with such a comment you would have to have a thorough knowledge of the field, its arguments and propositions, and you would need robust counter-arguments against each, plus further arguments to suggest why no future research will yield solutions.
Of course, you are most welcome to take such a position on faith, and no-one would hold it against you. But your scientific credibility would be zero.
Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.

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cavediver
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Message 151 of 227 (558965)
05-05-2010 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by slevesque
05-05-2010 3:53 PM


Re: Duct Tape = ??
Even worse, the more it seemed to contradict other known and well-established theories. There would come a point where the idea would be abandoned.
And what would these contradictions be? And these well-established theories?
And if such a display of knowledge was presented to you, would you then become a theist ?
Don't forget that I shared the faith you have for about as long as you have been alive The reason I am no longer an evangelical Christian (or even theist) is because I completely ran out of excuses for the complete lack of evidence outside of my own delusions.
(aside: Don't think I took an easy way out of not wanting to be a Christian any more. I lost my extensive social life; the ability to talk and share with some of my closest friends; the strongest common bond with my wife. And I get to watch my children be brought up in a faith I now know is bullshit. De-converting from Christianity is fucking horrible...)
And I don't think anyone here would be stupid enough to declare the concept of a creator deity to be "impossible", for almost exactly the same reasoning I gave above.

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