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Author Topic:   Is faith the answer to cognitive dissonance?
Larni
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Message 14 of 227 (557631)
04-27-2010 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by killinghurts
04-27-2010 12:25 AM


Being told to 'have faith' is like being told 'don't worry about it: it works'.
But, I would be suprised if someone who had cognitive dissonance (in the first place) would then cease to have it when faith was entered into the mix.
I would suggest that faith is what people have instead of cognitive dissonance.

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Larni
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Message 16 of 227 (557634)
04-27-2010 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Peg
04-27-2010 6:40 AM


Did you personally witness the writing of either? If not, what makes you accept them as authentic documents?
There is the rub (sorry, could not resist). It is possible that the works attributed to the people we associate with them are incorredctly associated.
Shakespear most likely did write his plays but we have to be open to the outside chance that old Bill was some chancer who appropriated the associations we have with the plays.
As this is the case we cannot say for 100% that the biblegod is true.
Having no doubt (i.e faith) in spite of the (potentially small) chance that biblegod is not really real must lead to dissonance unless one is (as mentioned above) one who thinks all contra indications to biblegod's veracity are irrelevant.

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Larni
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Message 17 of 227 (557636)
04-27-2010 11:20 AM
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04-27-2010 11:06 AM


I like the sound of rational irrationality!
BTW: what's up with your member rating? I've noticed someone's been 1ing lots of your messages...got a stalker?

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Larni
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Message 19 of 227 (557645)
04-27-2010 12:14 PM
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04-27-2010 11:52 AM


Re: Rational Irrationality
Where I disagree is when those of "faith" start saying that they are actually following evidence and insisting that I should be something other than skeptical.
Well that's just it, isn't it? If you have faith you can go tell all the contra indicative evidence to bugger off: cognitive dissonance need not apply (as I beleive Peg would have us beleive).
But when one starts appologetics eventually one must hit the brick wall of dissonance in some form or another (as I beleive is the case with Peg).
Edited by Larni, : Silly spellink errors.

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Larni
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Message 58 of 227 (557816)
04-28-2010 4:18 AM
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04-27-2010 9:50 PM


I.e do the people with faith, when finally presented with contrary evidence (which is inevitable in this day and age), then point to their faith as a way of relieving confusion.
Good point: I wonder if having to face the evidence causes people to either loose their belief in their god or become more radicalised.

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Larni
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Message 75 of 227 (557874)
04-28-2010 12:05 PM
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04-28-2010 4:27 AM


What on earth is the Dio?
No matter what it is (or was) we only know about the happenstance of it being signed by testimony of people and this is never 100% accurate.

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Larni
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Message 77 of 227 (557880)
04-28-2010 12:15 PM
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04-28-2010 5:24 AM


No, what happens here is that fundies twist and turn like twisting turning things to stop themselves having CD.
And you say that Shakespear is universally attributed to his plays but you must admit that there is an outside chance that he ghost wrote for somebody else.

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Larni
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Message 78 of 227 (557898)
04-28-2010 1:09 PM
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04-28-2010 12:10 PM


Ahh, I see.
That was when it all went bad for you guys?

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Larni
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Message 87 of 227 (557970)
04-29-2010 3:56 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by Peg
04-28-2010 8:16 PM


Re: Rationalization
The word Yom was studied and found to be used in many varied ways in the hebrew language. This gave some people the idea that it does not only mean a 24 hour day.
I can see that this could very well be true: that yom was meant to mean other than 'day'.
However, as this is interpretation, how can you say for sure it is the correct interpretation (especially when YEC have absolute faith it is equal to day?).

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