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Author Topic:   Did Jesus betray Judas?
cavediver
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Message 31 of 64 (563481)
06-05-2010 6:28 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Flyer75
06-04-2010 11:42 AM


Re: Interesting.....
Well, God is perfectly holy, and sin cannot enter into presence.
But that's his choice, and it is that choice that makes this concept of god so monstrous and dispicable.
Or is it not his choice...?

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cavediver
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Message 45 of 64 (563632)
06-06-2010 7:18 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Flyer75
06-05-2010 11:28 PM


Re: Interesting.....
so even a sinful human being will be able to enter into His presence and avoid eternal damnation.
And so it is God's choice that there is a concept of sin, his choice that he hates sin, his choice that he cannot abide sin in his presence, his choice that eternal damnation is the consequence of sin, his choice that this sin will be inheritable to the entire human race from his first two created beings, his choice that there is a deceiving spirit/snake abroad in the garden, his choice that Eve should encounter this deception in a position of extreme innocence...
And the only excuse that all of this is not utterly dispicable is that he sent Jesus as a way around this??? I'm sorry, it just does not wash. The vast majority of human souls are being damned in hell FOR ETERNITY and it all comes down to God's choice. And as a final insult, he tries to claim that it is actually our choice, as all we have to do is believe in Jesus and he will make it all go away...
Sorry Flyer, the only way I managed to believe this shit for so long was by assuming that God had to have had much less choice than generally believed. Otherwise, he's just an abomination.

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