Hi Larni,
Larni writes:
Rubbish! When Adam died the price was paid. No further torment was required until Yahweh mandated that it was required because that's what he wanted to happen.
For himself yes.
But this sin of disobedience condemned the entire universe.
There was no sin in the universe until the man who was formed from the dust of the ground ate the fruit he was commanded not to eat.
Luke writes:
Paul says in: Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world (kosmos=universe translated world here), and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
So by the sin of that man death entered the universe.
Larni writes:
Peg, for the last time YAHWEH COULD HAVE SUBJECTED ADAM TO DEATH WITHOUT TINKER WITH GENETICS! I'M SORRY TO SHOUT BUT YOU NEVER SEEM TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS POINT!
I agree there was no tinkering with Genetics.
Modern man is not a descendant of that man. He is a descendant of the man created in the image/likeness of God in Genesis 1:27.
Larni writes:
If Judas' part in this whole mess was not required, why did Jesus say it would have been better he had not been born?
Jesus could have said that to all who do not believe in Him for eternal life as all those will spend eternity in the lake of fire.
John tells us that Jesus talking to His followers said:
Jhn 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Everyone was not believers. Judas happened to be one of those.
You keep blaming God for Judas actions but that is a false accusation.
John writes:
Jhn 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
God nor Jesus had anything to do with the decision that Judas made, or the actions he took.
So no Jesus did not betray Judas. Judas has listened to Jesus for 3 1/2 years, saw many miracles even the resurrection of Lazarus and had not been convinced to the point he trusted Christ for salvation.
And yes Judas did lead the mob to where Jesus was in the Garden.
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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