Did Mod cause the collapse of evcforum?

Hi, Bolder-dash.

Bolder-dash writes: ​ ...why is there not one single person who doesn't believe in Darwinism who is assigned to be a moderator?

Did you miss the thread announcing Slevesque as a moderator?New Moderator: AdminSlevEdited by Bluejay, : dBCode mistakeEdited by Bluejay, : What's going on with the dBCodes?

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Hi, Taz. Nobody has yet provided an example of NJ equating homosexuality with rape, and I haven't been able to find any such reference using the Search or Member Topic List functions.I haven't gotten all the way through all the pertinent threads yet, so I admit I may have missed something, but I'm becoming more and more skeptical of your and Crashfrog's claim that this happened.Since you were there at the time, maybe you or Crashfrog would be better equipped than I to find the reference and post it here?I'll keep looking myself, of course, but I've got a lot of work to do in the real world, so I don't plan to put a great deal of effort into this.

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Hi, Crashfrog. I disagree with you here, Crashfrog.NJ didn't direct any of his insults at Berberry or anybody else specifically. He was very cautious to express his views without condemning anybody in particular. It was Berberry's and other's sensitivity to the issue, and not anything that NJ actually said, that made the discussion personal.On the other hand, Dan Carroll's and Berberry's comments were leveled directly at NJ and Modulous, and were attacks on the personal character of individual people.I don't see how these are objectively the same.

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Hi, Purpledawn. I had already read the "OMG, I'm an Atheist!" thread, both of the moderation threads that discuss it, and everything NJ said in both Haggard threads. There were no instances in any of those threads of NJ equating homosexuality with rape.It seems like that part was added on in a game of telephone.

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Hi, Crashfrog.

crashfrog writes: ​ It was always very clear precisely to whom NJ was directing his comments.

I've read all the threads I could find, and I don’t see anything that could be viewed as intentionally and unambiguously insulting or offensive to any one person in particular. I think there is a lot a sensitivity among NJ's opponents (which I don't think is unwarranted, mind you), and it was more the sensitivity, rather than what NJ actually said, that turned this whole thing into the fiasco that it became.This is the theme that I've read from NJ's posts:

Nemesis Juggernaut writes: ​ I feel that homosexuality is wrong. And going by inference from what I've seen, living in sin does not produce happiness. It produces moments of fleeting joy, as does all sin, but I don't believe that a long, lasting peace can be found in it. You can call that me "judging you," or you can look at it realistically as me simply not agreeing with your lifestyle. I think you'd prefer that I hate you in order to feel sufficiently martyred, but I don't Berb. ​ Source

See also this post (I realize that it's a response to you, and that you thus are probably already familiar with the content).This is a very clear pattern in NJ’s comments throughout the two Haggard threads and the "I'm an Atheist!" thread. I see a lot of controversial opinions that a lot of people find despicable, and a lot of questionable reasoning used as support for them, but I don't see any insults directed at anybody in particular.I don't have anything against your cause, and I agree that NJ was being rather callous and insensitive (it's just that blunt personality of his). But, to me, the precedent your requested moderator action would set is entirely too similar to the moderation style at EvolutionFairyTale, where merely citing TalkOrigins is grounds for suspension because it offends the membership there.I don’t think it was capricious or cruel of Modulous to divy out the suspensions the way he did: I think it was pretty well thought-out and basically in line with what his office required of him.Edited by Bluejay, : DbCodes againEdited by Bluejay, : ...and again

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Hi, Crashfrog. No, I don't think it was a conspiracy or a delusion. I think it was a bit of hyper-sensitivity, for which I don't really blame any of you: some of you obviously have a vested interest in it, and the rest of you have obviously seen enough of the ugly side of it to be concerned about it.I just think the moderators' hands were tied: they can't censor controversial topics when they offend people and still claim to be a legitimate debate forum. So, I don't think it's fair to pin the troubles on Modulous or on the rest of the moderators.----- No, not particularly. Still, everyone has their triggers, and you seem to care a great deal about forum justice. I don't blame you for being upset about it (I would have been too): I just think the site would have suffered more if the moderators got into the business of punishing sub-par or unpopular arguments.----- Fair enough. You've made your point, and I understand it.

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