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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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One of the things we observe in biological critters though is not reusing a design, but rather taking a part and using it for an entirely different function.
We do NOT find good design ideas being reused, the human brain does not get replicated in all animals, the eagles vision replicated across all critters, the smaller red blood cells of the Vicuna that allows far more oxygen to be carried to the muscles. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped! |
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Why do the majority of living organisms have male and female genders for reproduction? They don't. And even among animals sex is often transient, determined by temperatures during incubation or by necessities during life. Some even change sex during their life stages, others can change sex when a new male is needed, still others are bisexual and in many cases there are three or more sexes. Then there are the varieties of reproductive methods. And THEN, look at plants and the variety of different designs found there. But there are even better examples where biological critters do not reuse common designs. Look at the variety of locomotive systems, types and number of eyes, bones or no bones, bones or cartilage, internal or external skeletons, hair or feathers, vertical or horizontal. Finally, as I have pointed out in the past, the GOOD ideas do not get adopted across all critters. The human brain does not get adopted in all critters, the eagle's eyes, the Vicuna's blood cells. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Thus far, the only reasons that humans do resuse designs is because we have limited knowledge and limited time. However, according to the Bible both of those constraints applied equally to God. Creation itself seemed to be on a deadline, a six day contract. Further, existing designs were reused if possible. Look at finding a helpmeet for Adam. Before trying a new design God tried all the critters it had already created, just seemed like none fit (I did hear that Adam was pretty happy with the sheep but the tiger just didn't do it for him). Even then, instead of starting from scratch God took an old pieces part, a rib, to be the basis for the new design and only modified components slightly, an innie here instead of an outtie, a prominent enhancement or two as a model branding. BUT...the job got done and on schedule, saw that it was very good and God got the day off to rest. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There are lots of examples at the MOST general level. For example round works best for a wheel.
Where that breaks down though is when we look at life. There we do not find that the same design gets reused, and that optimal seldom is relevant. When we look at flight for example we find a variety of designs, feathered wings, skin flaps, flattened bodies and extended fins, and that is just in animals. When we look at plants there is a whole nudder set of unique solutions to the challenge of flight. The same holds true in almost any design challenge in living things. Time after time living things reinvent the wheel. Whole different sensory systems, locomotive systems, reproductive systems, energy gathering systems, waste disposal systems. Living things don't show design. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, chemistry is chemistry.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And in both situation, we should be able to determine by looking at the object i nquestion if it was designed or not. Living things, according to me, show design. Yes, we know that you have said that. The question is, "what shows design and why should anyone even care if there was a designer?" Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I think an important point is that existing pieces parts often get reused, and often pressed into different duties. We see jaw bones become ear bones, arteries that supplied blood to a gill reused a the supply for the larynx, toe bones become hooves; lots of examples of just using pieces parts that were already there for a new function.
But we also see totally different solutions evolve for common functions. As mentioned above there are a host of examples showing different solutions for the same function. What we DON'T see is what we do see in human design. We do not see the good idea that is developed in one design implemented across the whole line. Just look at the variety of great or at least optimal designs that exist in animals. We don't see the human mind design used in all the mammals, the Vicuna's blood system that carries more oxygen duplicated across all mammals; what we do see is "just good enough to get by" is the norm, not optimum or even good design. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So we see that reuse of design also falls under another level of restriction, that of a nested hierarchy. Even humans do not restrict themselves to such a rigid pattern of design reuse. It would seem that the supposed designer is even more limited than humans. That's part of it. We do not see good ideas like radio then implemented across the spectrum, in homes, cars, boats, planes, ipods, trains, space stations. But the other issue is the oft raised one of Optimal. What we see in living things is NOT optimal design, but rather "Just good enough" design. We do not see very many truly new pieces parts or functions show up, they are the exception rather than the rule. What we do see is incremental changes that seem to be without reason or purpose that are then tested by natural selection with a very simple pass/fail test. If the change keeps the critter from living long enough to reproduce, then that specific example of that change and critter is eliminated. It does not mean though that the very same change is not tried over and over again. To some extent biology and very early human invention follow the same course. Take the issue of keeping warm. Being able to create a fire meant that humans could light the night, cook meat, warm the cave, keep predators away, create whole new food supplies like bread and beer. The tribe that could do it had a distinct advantage over the tribe that could not. But the method for starting those fires was not necessarily the optimal one, it was the one that worked. It is far easier to start a fire with a flint spark then by rubbing stick together or finding a still burning tree that had been struck by lightening, but all three methods did work, and so all three methods were used. Very soon though the human mind developed the idea of optimal and that is where "intelligent human design" differs from "biological design". In living things, changes are just made then filtered and it is only the really, really bad designs that get filtered out. The designs are kept as long as they are not so bad that they keep the critter from reproducing. Humans though look at each design and ask "How can we make it better?" There really is a goal, a purpose to human designs that is not seen in living critters, the search for the optimal solution. Human designs also get transferred across the spectrum. A good design in one model of one make of car is soon adopted by every model of ever make of car. A good design like radio that initially was meant as a way to transmit information from one fixed location to many stationary locations is then soon adopted by mobile as well as stationary location and eventually made two way so we can talk across the optimal spectrum, one to many, many to one, stationary to mobile, mobile to stationary, mobile to mobile, many to many, one to one. When we look at Intelligently Designed things and Biologically Designed things we definitely see two different processes. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't think I mentioned perfection.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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