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Author Topic:   God's Place In Evolution
slevesque
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Message 9 of 190 (604726)
02-14-2011 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by jar
02-14-2011 9:24 AM


Re: Speaking as one Christian to another.
You can see examples of this as well as the evolution of god in the early books of the Bible. The story found in Genesis 1 is actually a much younger story than the one found in Genesis 2&3
First time I ever hear this, any evidence for it ?

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slevesque
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Message 13 of 190 (604750)
02-14-2011 5:10 PM
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02-14-2011 4:03 PM


Well i dont believe in god and most of my friends dont and we still havent died been struck by lightning ....... so my guess is THEY are not so fundamental
I'll just point off that this is pretty falacious reasoning. It is analog to someone saying, after hearing another person say ''oxygen is fundamental to human life'', ''well I don't believe in oxygen and I live just fine''.

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slevesque
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Message 15 of 190 (604753)
02-14-2011 5:17 PM
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02-14-2011 3:27 PM


Re: Speaking as one Christian to another.
Okok, well I not too well versed in that subject, but I have to say that this all seems to be more of an hypothesis then an established fact., which seems to be intricately connected to the documentary hypothesis.
Which, in my humble opinion, seems to be an outdated hypothesis for the authorship of the Pentateuch. But that's probably another subject

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Message 17 of 190 (604755)
02-14-2011 5:27 PM
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02-14-2011 5:16 PM


The difference being that we can detect the percentage of oxygen in a gaseous atmosphere. Even more, we can create oxygen free atmospheres and see if that person does survive.
What are the analogous supernatural experiments that we can do?
This all has nothing to do with the fact that the reasoning is a fallacy or not. It is confounding belief in something with the actual thing. Just because something is essential to life, does not mean belief in said thing is also essential.
Even with all the scientific experiments in the world, someone may not believe in oxygen. It does not make it any less essential for that person.
Idem for the God issue. If goldrush says ''God is essential for human existence'', even if this is unfounded, replying ''I don't believe in God and I exist just fine'' is clearly a fallacious rebuttal.

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slevesque
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Message 19 of 190 (604757)
02-14-2011 5:31 PM
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02-14-2011 5:25 PM


Re: Speaking as one Christian to another.
Well, you can always just look at the gods in the two fables themselves to see the evolution of the god description. The two different gods are completely unlike, one competent and sure but aloof and apart, the other fumbling, unsure, fearful but personal, intimate.
I think you are seeing way more into this then what the texts indicate.
If I remember correctly supposedly the creation account is made in a known jewish litterary style, where it at first looks at the general aspect of creation, then 'zooms in' on the creation of man. (yes, I know this is an unfounded assertion)

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slevesque
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Message 21 of 190 (604762)
02-14-2011 5:49 PM
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02-14-2011 5:40 PM


Re: Speaking as one Christian to another.
I think there an easy way to test if the writing of Gen1 and Gen2-3 is seperated by time. There should be a notable language/syntax differences between the two.
AbE I you want to continue on this issue, start a new thread.
Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

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