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Topic: God's Place In Evolution
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goldrush
Member (Idle past 4805 days) Posts: 61 Joined: 02-08-2011
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Message 161 of 190 (606682)
02-27-2011 8:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 159 by frako 02-20-2011 7:26 PM
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Re: Accurate knowledge?
Actually a living cell has not been created. Scientists have merely created synthetic computer-generated genetic instructions (based on preexisting code) and inserted them into a pre-existing cell. This is a far cry from creating a cell from scratch.
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goldrush
Member (Idle past 4805 days) Posts: 61 Joined: 02-08-2011
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Message 163 of 190 (606686)
02-27-2011 9:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 162 by jar 02-27-2011 8:52 PM
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Re: Accurate knowledge?
Scientists have managed to tweak and develop some "software" (genetic info) and implant it into the "hardware" (Pre-existing cell). They have not created a cell.
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goldrush
Member (Idle past 4805 days) Posts: 61 Joined: 02-08-2011
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Message 165 of 190 (606688)
02-27-2011 9:23 PM
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My convictions are not contingent on scientific analysis and findings, although I do find it interesting when the Bible and science agree with each other. I view God as the highest authority, and I trust the Word of God over any man's conclusions, methods, or thoughts. Time and experience has proven that God's Word is superior to man's. The dating methods are based on our best current scientific understanding of things, which is likely to change the more we learn. Scientific understanding is never perfect, that's why our technology and medical treatments very often simultaneously create side effects and problems with their solutions. Scientists are human, always working with limited knowledge in ways they don't realize and therefore cannot fully understand where they may be wrong, or forsee all possibilities and implications of their work.We never know when we'lldiscover something new or better to help us realize facts we never knew we didn't know in the first place. What is found to be true scientifically is mutable, but God's Word never changes. God does not have to search for the answers or the truth, He already knows. All we have to do is listen to Him and trust Him to guide us. This is not to say science is pointless, it has many useful applications. It's just not the highest form of truth, knowledge and wisdom. And no, all evidence does not point against a flood as I have previously explained. And BTW, I am not a YEC. I simply believe in a Creator and creation.
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goldrush
Member (Idle past 4805 days) Posts: 61 Joined: 02-08-2011
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Message 167 of 190 (606692)
02-27-2011 9:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 164 by jar 02-27-2011 9:22 PM
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Re: Accurate knowledge?
Yeah I know what it means. Scientists have a cell that is totally controlled by a synthetic chromosome, that they designed in a computer based on an existing chromosome. It's basically a cell running off a modified, artificial part. It's cool, but it doesn't imply that we can create a cell or chromosome, or DNA from scratch (as in no pre-existing chromosome, DNA, or cell to go by). What's the difference between artificial and natural life? The same difference between an artificial limb and a natural one. Edited by goldrush, : No reason given.
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goldrush
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Theologians and scientists are alike in that they are both interpreters, some of which twist evidence to fit their worldview and beliefs. The Bible is God's Word. The interpretation is His. Man has no right to impose his/her own interpretations on it and present it as Gid's Word. When comparing scripture for scripture and like subjects applied keeping accounts in context, there is only 1 true interpretation of the Bible, God's interpretation, an interpretation that never changes.
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goldrush
Member (Idle past 4805 days) Posts: 61 Joined: 02-08-2011
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Message 176 of 190 (607082)
03-01-2011 10:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 172 by frako 02-28-2011 6:50 AM
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Re: Accurate knowledge?
Did you read the literature on this and my post? A cell has NOT been created, only used to implant a modified copy-cat version of a natural chromosome that had been analyzed. The artificially created chromosome is a mere copy and augmentation of an already existing natural chromosome. Intelligent design (computer software and human ingenuity) was used in creating this modified chromosome replica (from a preexisting natural chromosome). So no, not even this chromosome was built from scratch.
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goldrush
Member (Idle past 4805 days) Posts: 61 Joined: 02-08-2011
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Message 178 of 190 (607102)
03-02-2011 1:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 177 by Coyote 03-01-2011 10:29 PM
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Re: Catechism
Lol. Even though you are right to bring out I am going off topic, to be fair, I was actually replying to a post questioning my Biblical conviction, not science. I am not reciting any catechism lessons BTW, lol. And no, I'm not embarrassed. Are you embarrassed for wrongly accusing me of reciting catechisms?
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goldrush
Member (Idle past 4805 days) Posts: 61 Joined: 02-08-2011
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Message 182 of 190 (607148)
03-02-2011 10:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 180 by Coyote 03-02-2011 1:14 AM
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Re: Catechism
No, it's logic. Whether one believes the Bible is inspired of God or not, the interpretation or meaning of the subjects in the writings is best ascertained by comparing scripture for scripture or the Bible to itself. Outside interpretation spoils it.
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goldrush
Member (Idle past 4805 days) Posts: 61 Joined: 02-08-2011
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Message 183 of 190 (607150)
03-02-2011 10:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 181 by frako 03-02-2011 6:01 AM
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Re: Accurate knowledge?
Wait, are you saying we've been creating man made cells (from scratch) for 6 years? What do you mean? What is your source? I have heard nothing of the sort. Only endless debates of what pieces come first to form a cell from scratch.
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