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iano
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From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 38 of 85 (608763)
03-13-2011 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by cavediver
03-08-2011 6:44 PM


cavediver writes:
It was precisely this pathetic intercessory prayer that helped with my deconversion: if I really believed there was a deity willing and able to materially affect reality on the back of my prayers, how could I live with myself if I did not spend every moment of my life praying for the uncountable situations of sorrow and suffering occuring at every moment around the world?
This seems a little elemental, cavediver, the conclusion of a child (in the immature sense of the word)-like faith. Jesus said to ask for anything in his name and it would be done yet the mature Christian isn't at all surprised when the things he prays for don't pan out in the way/timescales envisaged/desired
That self-same Christian would also be mindful of Jesus' not prioritising the suffering of others over all else - the poor we shall always have with us. The commandment allows us to love ourselves as well as others.
To relate to God isn't to approach him one-armed-bandit-like with a shopping list of stuff he can do for you. I'm sure he's as glad as you are that you deconverted from whatever model of God you had going there.
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I was smiling all the way back to the house, where-as the couple in the dark car, parked up on the field, were almost certainly thinking "what a dick"...
I'm sure their focus was on a different dick to you.
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iano
Member (Idle past 1969 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 49 of 85 (608863)
03-14-2011 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by cavediver
03-13-2011 4:39 PM


cavediver writes:
I was stressing that the needs of the world should justify a 24/7 attitude to intercessory prayer.
Why should the needs of the world justify such a response (was the thrust of my post)? There are others aspects to life than just the suffering of others. There's God to get to know, your family to raise, your work to be done, things to be enjoyed. I don't recall the bible demanding this level of emphasis on a single activity. Nor can I imagine you can give adequate attention to those other aspects of life if you've the suffering of others on your mind 24/7.
You use this as a (part) excuse - but it was never a demand of God made on you. You seem to have usurped his idea of how you should live (which doesn't involve 24/7 intercessory prayer) with your idea of how you should live prior to your deconversion.
So this isn't a valid element in your deconversion. It's a manifestation of your deconversion.
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Those "Christians" like you, that look around at suffering but simply regard it as part of the fallen world and unworthy of mention to your god, are known as wankers.
People who reckon they maintain compassion for the suffering of others 24/7 are known as liars (if they say they do it) or fools (if they attempt to do it)

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 52 of 85 (608867)
03-14-2011 8:10 PM
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03-14-2011 7:48 PM


cavediver writes:
In which case I am a failed fool - but will gladly keep trying to acheive the status of fool, even if I know I'll never manage it. Far far better in my mind than your sad sociopathic attitude.
This is curious.
It's a persons heartfelt mourning over their inability to achieve the status of fool, their inability to be compassionate when compassion is called for .. that has them turn to God in the first place.
Assuming this is how you were converted, when/how did you loose the desire to be cured?
"Trying the best you can..." isn't at all as ambitious.
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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 53 of 85 (608869)
03-14-2011 8:21 PM
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03-14-2011 7:48 PM


cavediver writes:
Oh, the joy of Western world Christianity. There's nothing better than spending time getting to know a god that far more appreciates my time with it, than bothering to consider the four kids dying of starvation every minute.
Do you mourn about the fact you are unable to empty your bank account for the sake of some of those 4 kids a minute? If God were able to move you in that direction then it would be time well spent to spend it with him
You have to invest a little to gain a lot.
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