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Author Topic:   Osama Bin Laden Gets What He Gives
Bailey
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Message 34 of 98 (614232)
05-02-2011 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by DevilsAdvocate
05-02-2011 8:06 PM


Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
DevilsAdvocate writes:
Though I am not an Obamite I think President Obama said it very succinctly and appropiately ‘And tonight, let us think back to the sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11. I know that it has, at times, frayed. Yet today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people.’
How is OBL's murder a testament to the greatness of the USA? Or was that rhetorical?
I mean, Jack Bauer does that type of sheeit every 24TM hours
DevilsAdvocate writes:
Why can we not congragulate the men and women in our government and the military on a job well for taking out the most notorious mastermind of terrorism in todays modern world, and leave it at that.
Yes, for one day ..
Let us pretend all those wars aren't actually taking place, the PotUSA is not a politician, OBL & gang have no political affiliations and these events have no impact in modern political affairs.
This should be a time of unity for America, not divisiveness.
It seems these subjects can oft be very emotionally charged for many people and with our natural tendency as humans to let our emotions run wild at times and all, there's a sense some emotions are better suited for uniting, while others may serve better for dividing.
Perhaps if murder and terrorism, state funded or otherwise, may quicker breed division, then the loss of the beloved may not cause unity to tarry too long.
Let's not bring politics and political rhetoric into this great day of justice and freedom.
Like you begin to do below?
Honestly, who feels a heightened sense of freedom?
Remember this is a victory not just for America but for literally millions around the world living in fear and tyranny.
Please DA, don't pay any mind to the sarcasm as it's only meant in jest. I think we may agree that hopefully as many as can may release the bitterness and hatred that they've stocked in this man's image, and in doing so, heal.
DevilsAdvocate writes:
Stop using this victory for your own political tirades ..
Winston Churchill writes:
Civilization will not last, freedom will not survive, peace will not be kept, unless a very large majority of mankind unite together to defend them and show themselves possessed of a constabulary power before which barbaric and atavistic forces will
Ronald Reagan writes:
We in America have learned bitter lessons from two world wars: It is better to be here [in Europe] ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We've learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.
Perhaps the irony of our posts often speak largely for themselves ..

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have murdered the innocent; why trust what I say, when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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Bailey
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Posts: 574
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Message 36 of 98 (614256)
05-03-2011 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by DevilsAdvocate
05-03-2011 4:33 AM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
DevilsAdvocate writes:
How is OBL's murder a testament to the greatness of the USA? Or was that rhetorical?
So I take it you condone the blah blah blah ... You do not think that taking out OBL was a good thing?
Please, rather then put words in my mouth, just answer the question or take a pass.
Sorry not hip on Jack Bauer. Shows to me that you can't differentiate between fiction and reality.
Show me there's a concise difference in the realm of propaganda and politics.
Yes, for one day ..
How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.
I don't eat elephants ..
However, I'm not convinced ignoring political realities helps digest them. No sooner would it have fallen the Berlin Wall or will it add your blue and white accents to Tiananmen Square.
us pretend all those wars aren't actually taking place, the PotUSA is not a politician, OBL & gang have no political affiliations and these events have no impact in modern political affairs.
When did I ever say that this event would have no impact on modern political affairs? It certainly does. My plea is that is should not.
And I'm disagreeing w/ you. In an optimal setting, events of this nature should be able to be critiqued and discussed openly without fear of being accused of passive terrorism when disagreements arise, as you've done.
Playing the cheerleader is cute, but it does little else than entertain.
It seems these subjects can oft be very emotionally charged for many people and with our natural tendency as humans to let our emotions run wild at times and all, there's a sense some emotions are better suited for uniting, while others may serve better for dividing.
This event goes beyond mere emotions.
It's fueled w/ emotion DA and I hope you're not ignorant enough to overlook such dynamics.
We did what we had to do to prevent further evil from continuing, bottom line.
So we finally nipped it in the bud huh - I mean, all that evil for all them millenia, & all we had to do was shoot an arab. As if murder could ever prevent evil ... honestly DA
Who feels a heightened sense of freedom?
Is not one less mass-murdering terrorist a good thing?
You be the judge, yet - now that the boogey man's dead, who feels a heightened sense of freedom ?
Please DA, don't pay any mind to the sarcasm as it's only meant in jest. I think we may agree that hopefully as many as can may release the bitterness and hatred that they've stocked in this man's image, and in doing so, heal.
Bitterness and hatred which are well founded.
Perhaps, and well funded, so you go ahead and nurture your bitterness and hatred then.
Nevertheless, with the effective removal of OBL as a conscious threat, it's my hope and prayer that others can finally heal.
I hate to say it, but maybe one day you will understand if you ever fall victim to it. It is easy to make little quips from the comfort of your own home without experiencing it yourself.
Comments like this are without foundation as Bailey does not live in a vacuum, even when speaking in the third person.
Perhaps the irony of our posts often speak largely for themselves ..
And what irony is that praytell?
The notion that you said "Let's not bring politics and political rhetoric into this great day .." and "Stop using this victory for your own political tirades .." and then nonchalantly ended your post with a couple tirades from politicians.
Edited by Bailey, : ABE ..

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have murdered the innocent; why trust what I say, when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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Bailey
Member (Idle past 4482 days)
Posts: 574
From: Earth
Joined: 08-24-2003


Message 39 of 98 (614399)
05-04-2011 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by DevilsAdvocate
05-03-2011 8:16 PM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
By standing up to terrorism ..
The USA is not the only nation to do this.
So why is this not a testament to the greatness of anyone who is unafraid of terrorists?
My point is what the heck does Jack Bauer have to do with taking out Bin Laden?
You make it sound like shooting a dirty arab who's hiding in a broom closet is paramount to the moon landing.
Special forces perform surgical operations on a routine basis.
What political reality do you think I am ignoring?
When did I say you were?
I'm assuming you were analogizing the elephant to terrorism, and so, I'm suggesting your desire to silence dissenting opinions is a form of curable ignorance. Not discussing the issues in E/W Germany only kept the wall up.
However, it is not the end of this chain .. In fact they knew that this could potentially increase threats against our military forces.
Thank you for making my point.
Bin Laden was as much an enemy of Muslims as he was of us
I said nothing of muslims.
Fighting fire with fire works at times, and other times it only succeeds in making a larger fire.
Stroking your national ego does little besides fan the flames.
You know nothing about me. So don't sit there and stereotype me
Yes Mr. Kettle.
I work with many Arabs and Muslims in the military. I have friends of all colors, creeds and ethnicities. I have been deployed four times to the middle east. I would venture that I know more of these people than you ever will.
See above ..
I would say there are many Muslims who do at the least.
Now you speak for muslims huh?
Out of apprx. 2 dozen people I spoke with in the field yesterday, 2 said they breathed a sigh of relief.
Most others did not percieve OBL as any more of a threat than the next terrorist in line.
And since the line is long, why should my family feel safer minus one mouthpiece?
Perhaps the irony of our posts often speak largely for themselves ..
And what irony is that praytell?
The notion that you said "Let's not bring politics and political rhetoric into this great day .." and "Stop using this victory for your own political tirades .." and then nonchalantly ended your post with a couple tirades from politicians.
I am sad that you really do not blah blah blah .. You really have no clue why blah blah blah .. It is akin to you criticizing blah blah blah .. I really don't understand your blah blah blah
Save your breath (or finger tips) and btw, nice diversion here I guess I'm still convinced that we can't diminish the value of one category of human life - yes, even that of a scumbag terrorist - without diminishing the value of all human life.
So please, forgive me for not celebrating a murder, but I don't do it when christians suggest to either.

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have murdered the innocent; why trust what I say, when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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 Message 40 by DevilsAdvocate, posted 05-04-2011 4:43 AM Bailey has replied

  
Bailey
Member (Idle past 4482 days)
Posts: 574
From: Earth
Joined: 08-24-2003


Message 44 of 98 (614413)
05-04-2011 7:53 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by DevilsAdvocate
05-04-2011 4:43 AM


Who celebrates death besides terrorists?
Knowing the US and others are working diligently to protect us provides a sense of security, but knowing he's dead hasn't done the same for me yet.
I guess, in the end, I haven't been able to make a big deal about it because it seems like he's been dead for ten years.
And honestly DA, I apologize if I've hit a nerve - I'm as happy as you are that he's gone and I appreciate what you do.
Nevertheless, I dare say only terrorists celebrate murder.
Edited by Bailey, : sp.

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have murdered the innocent; why trust what I say, when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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