New York Gay Marriage

More like an uppity black person asking not to be called uppity and insisting that get a special classification of "high falutin". Oh, am I making you mad by flaunting your attempt to put a label on me by arbitrarily declaring that the label doesn't fit because I have a special definition.Boy, that must be so annoying. I WONDER what that's like. How dare you arbitrarily label all gay people that way! Who the hell are you to make those kinds of decisions.Everyone GET HIM! He's trying to define terms and classify people by the grouping of "gay"!He's AFRAID! Get him! So, you don't think bisexuals deserve rights under any legislation that protects gays? If you married a dude, it would be "bisexual marriage" not "gay marriage"Are you beginning to see why I say this is all terribly self involved? If you find yourself attracted to the same sex, you are gay. If you are also attracted to other things, you are STILL GAY.If you like to ski, you are a skier. If you ALSO like to go sailing, that doesn't make you NOT a skier. And instead of letting that go, you spent a weekend screaming "Look at me! This is what I do in the bedroom! Oh god PLEASE pay attention to me! I'm so important! Don't label me as being part of the gay community! I'm part of the gay community, but only I get to say so!"Yeah, you aren't attention starved at all! The difference here is that I'm FOR gay rights. I'm just not going to play games with every individual who wants a special label just for themselves.I say you're gay, I'm wrong. You say you're gay, you're right.And I notice you're back on the whole "you're afraid of me" thing. AGAIN.

How would you define "gay" in regards to "gay rights" or "gay marriage"?What groups fall under the banner of "gay"?Is "gay" ONLY men who sleep with men? Do we need to next fight for lesbian marriage? Then bi marriage? Then transmarriage? Then pre-op trans marriage?It's starting to become apparent that the people here who are really homophobic are the self described "bi"s who throw an absolute hissy fit if you dare to suggest they might be "gay". Heaven forbid!

You are gonna want to edit and delete this section of your post.As soon as the "bi"s see this, they are going to throw a shit fit and climb all over you for DARING to suggest that there are "gay" people out there who are "gay" yet having sex with women and calling themselves "bi".You basically just called in a "biphobia drone attack" on yourself.Be prepared to not really be afraid!

But if I make an arbitrary definition of a term, it's _wrong_. However if YOU make an arbitrary definition of a term, it's okay.But THAT'S not self involved in the least. LOL. Thank you. The next time you make an off the cuff joke and find yourself attacked for 3 straight days about it, I hope you have the fortitude to fight back as well. This WHOLE argument got started because it was declared that since I wasn't gay I didn't have the right to have an opinion on the term.How dare I, as someone who doesn't have gay sex, have any position on gay rights or use the term "gay" as a blanket term covering "people who have sex with people who have the same parts". Yes, but omnivores are not picky about who gets to play the gay card and who doesn't.If you are walking down the street holding some guys hand and you get attacked. You don't call it a "bi hate crime", you don't decry the discrimination you face as a bi-guy.No, at that point you are MORE THAN HAPPY to proclaim that you are gay and that this is a crime against gays.So, like I said before, "we get to call ourselves niggers but you don't".I STRONGLY suspect that if I was sucking a guys dick and called him gay even though last week he want to the movies with some girl, he wouldn't object.But heaven fucking forbid a straight guy make the mistake of calling someone gay when "technically I'm super special and important" and it's a NEVER ENDING RIVER OF SHIT about from people who are "not at all self involved but desperately want all the attention they can get". Oh really?!? Yeah, I guess that's not you talking about your sexual activities at all. He's specifically talking about so called "bisexuals" who are really just gay guys who won't admit that they are gay and are still having sex with women.But THAT isn't a problem for you. However, when I say that there are gay guys who won't admit that they are gay and are still having sex with women - THAT is a problem for you.And it's a problem because HE attributes it to self loathing where as I attribute it to self involvement.So, you would rather be characterized as being too afraid to admit your are gay instead of being characterized as someone who wants attention.Personally, if I was gay and refusing to admit it, I'd go with the positive characterization of "wanting attention" rather than "hating myself".But if you want to go with "I hate myself" I won't stop you

And if you were to claim to be an omnivore some day and claim to be a herbivore other days when it suits you, I'd say you were full of crap. Actually, it comes from gays who have played at being bisexual and then later said "yeah, I was just fooling myself and trying to fit in".Yet when someone points that out, silence from you. Why? Because you can't argue with the gays about being gay, can you? So, you were bragging about sexual exploits out in public then. Fantastic. That doesn't fit my model of "wanting to talk about your sex life" at all. Geez.

Ah, but the problem here is that I was told my opinion didn't count because I was a "straight boy".So, again. "We can call each other nigger, you can't".Further, the fact that there are gays saying "Yeah, I used to claim to be bi, but it was bullshit" is sorta damning for the rest of the bi's who are claiming to be special and definitely not gay. (except when they call themselves gay or when they want to make a political point - but only they get to say it).

Which is why I just stuck to "gay".The issue is gay marriage. Not gay and bi marriage.

No, if you are having sex with members of the same sex, you are gay. Gay marriage applies to you. Gay rights applies to you.If you are straight, you are exclusively having sex with members of the opposite sex.If you are gay and want to call yourself "bi", then good for you. Doesn't make you not gay.
If you are gay and want to call yourself a "bear", good for you. Doesn't make you not gay.
If you are gay and want to call yourself a "twink", good for you. Doesn't make you not gay.
If you are gay and want to call yourself some new made up term that only applies to just you and no one else, good for you. Doesn't make you not gay.It's a category.I don't really understand what all the bitching is about. If you are a guy and you are having sex with guys - you're gay.If you really hate yourself so much that you insist that you aren't "officially gay" because you do other things, then you are delving into the world of self involvement.Just get over it. Get behind gay rights. Stop the in fighting. Stop trying to be better than anyone else. Just focus on getting gay rights passed and move on with your life.

Wow. I'm catching shit for have the gall to be straight and dare to use the term "gay", but this shit is on a WHOLE OTHER LEVEL.Really?! You're REALLY going to suggest that you can rape a gay and make them straight?I was ACCUSED to saying that when I was talking about gay vs straight as simple categories.Here you go and out and out suggest it.If the gays don't jump down your throat, then we'll know for certain they aren't interested in any sort of rational discussion. All they are after is attacking a "straight boy" for daring to post an opinion - even one in support of gay rights!Wow. Rape a lesbian to make her straight? Unbelievable. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Really? I've seen NO BANNERS, NO DEBATES, NO BILLS, NO LAWSUITS, NO RALLIES, NOTHING in support of "bisexual marriage".If fact, I have yet to find someone who can explain exact what a "bisexual marriage" would be and how it would be different from either a gay or straight marriage.It seems to me that a bisexual who was marrying someone of the opposite sex could just shut the F up about it and not have to worry at all about getting a license.Unless of course they were extremely self involved and self important and wanted to raise a giant stink about it just to get attention.Meanwhile, if they were marrying someone of the same sex, they would be in a gay marriage. No one would question it.So, where is this mythical "bi-marriage"?Why is it that the bi's can get gay married if they "definitely aren't gay, let me tell you all about it at length"?

NOW?! NOW you realize I'm trolling?Seriously?!?Dude, I got jumped on for being a "straight boy" in favor of gay rights after cracking a joke because someone bitched about bi's being left out of "gay rights".OF COURSE I'M TROLLING!!!You guys have been bitching up a storm demanding all sorts of special treatment, making all sorts of declarations about who and what you like to fuck and how unfair it is that someone who doesn't fuck what you fuck could have an opinion.You really think I'm not going to poke that monkey with a stick?! Seriously?

You aren't allowed to use the term "mad". Only we are allowed to use the term "mad".And for your information, custarding is a sexual practice that only the piesexuals are allowed to talk about.You, a non-piesexual, aren't allowed to mention it or we'll get very upset with you and post ENDLESSLY about how very hard it is for us that you are talking about us and somehow ignoring us all at the same time.Waaah waaah waaah

You guys wanted attention for claiming that you weren't just seeking attention.
I gave you attention and you kept coming back for more attention to prove that you weren't seeking attention.I'm sure from your perspective, it was totally normal that you would be _outraged_ by not getting enough attention for having been accused of seeking attention.For me it was just a beautiful example of a couple of gay boys desperate to claim they were anything but while simultaneously proving my point that "it's all about me" is the (so called) "bi" mantra.All you guys had to do was walk away to prove you weren't attention starved and yet you're _STILL_ here. And you're STILL claiming you aren't gay.It's hilarious.

I guess the thread got moved away from the coffee house.Edited by Nuggin, : No reason given.

You should start at the start then.Let me sum up.I was making the point that straight people don't really believe in "gay recruitment". Someone who is actually straight can not honestly make the argument that all straights are just "one good argument away from turning gay". It's not a decision, therefore there's no argument to sway the non-decision.The only people who really believe that argument are the self hating closeted homosexuals running the anti-gay movement.Really, non-gay guys don't really care enough to run an entire political organization to ruin the life of gays. They may vote against gay marriage because of their personal prejudice but they aren't going to go out there and run an organization to "pray away the gay" or actively fight gay rights.Anyway, at that point in the discussion a Conservative Christian summed up my position as "you are either gay, straight or *** (a word which means not telling the truth assuming it's still censored.)(by the way, if it is still censored - fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck - still _not_ censored)I copped to that position. At the root level of the argument, you can say those are the three positions. Straight. Gay. Pretending to be Straight.So, Stranger poked me with "what about bi" tongue out smiley face.I responded equally off the cuff with: At which the Christian Conservative claimed that bi people prove that people are just one good argument away from "Having more gay sex".My response was: The Conservative Christian then said something to the effect of "there has to be a first time you try gay sex, isn't that getting recruited"I responded: He came back with "Answer the Question".So, I realized there was no point carrying on the conversation. Clearly this was a Conservative Christian with some internal gay issues of his own. Maybe he got "talked into" gay sex or something. I don't know. I didn't care.I answered "the Question" with "42".Then I walked away from the thread.Meanwhile the other 5 people on the thread were busy making jokes about gay subtext in commercials and "soft" vs "hard" gay rape, animal sex, etc etc etc.Four days go by and then I get attacked: AND The second attack still stands out as coming out of nowhere. Did I mention women at all?Anyway, I respond that it's probably not in the best interest of the gay community to attack people who are supporting gay rights AGAINST people who are clearly against gay rights.And then the sh1t storm began!I got accused of nullification, bigotry, not supporting gay rights, and being afraid of bis.Well, if I'm going to get sh1t thrown at me, I'm going to throw it back. Endlessly.