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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
As I explained in the other thread, I have had friends who were recruited into being lesbian and saw it happen first hand. I'm straight and I believe it happens so I know the point you're making is wrong. This will kick off an entire new wave of attacks but... Lesbians don't count. I was clearly talking about gay guys. Homosexuality is men is a condition of birth. It doesn't change. Homosexuality in women is not the same thing. As I pointed out earlier, there is no male version of "LUG". It's a phenomena that just doesn't happen. Saying that gay guys choose to be gay because you know a chick that went through a lesbian phase is completely misunderstanding the difference between the two groups.
The questions I was asking you to answer was why you totally flipped your position to the exact opposite. In fact, I never switched my position. I was teasing Stranger and got attacked. I'm not someone's little bitch. If you come at me, I'm going to attack back. The fact that I had 3-4 people foaming at the mouth for 3 days trying DESPERATELY to prove that they weren't DESPERATELY trying to prove anything is hilarious.
I haven't politically discussed gayness anywhere but here and I wouldn't vote against gay marriage because, frankly, I just don't give a shit. And that tells me you are straight. Meanwhile Marcus Bachmann has built a career around spending a lot of time with gay teens in an attempt to deprogram them through the power of Jesus. No straight guy is going to pick that as a career. Why? Just like you said. We don't give a shit.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
What makes you think that? The simple non-observance of male LUG's? How about for starters there's no term for it. If it was an equal phenomena you'd expect someone somewhere would have mentioned it. Then there's the complete lack of the "I was going through a phase" comment from guys.
You went from sexuality being a grey scale to sexuality being black and white. No. I was talking about "gay rights" and "gay marriage". There isn't a "lesbian marriage" movement. There isn't a "bi marriage" movement. There isn't a "trans-marriage" movement. I was pointing out that "gay" as a term is an umbrella. Then Stranger made a joke, so I joked back. Then 5 of you asked the EXACT SAME QUESTION. Fuck me if I'm going to copy and paste the same response 5 times in 5 posts. Then I left for 4 days. Until one of the gays came on to tell me that as a "straight boy" I wasn't allowed to have an opinion. At that point, it was ON.
The only reasons I can think of are religious or economic ones, or both. But they are there. Nah. Think about it. Let's say you are a straight religious guy and you have a ministry and you are worried about "the kids". Okay. You are going to set up a "group" for kids in trouble. That group is going to cover kids who listen to devil music, kids who are smoking the drugs, kids who dress like vampires, gay kids and kids who have gotten busted by the police. You aren't going to set up a group that ONLY deals with gay kids. Why would you?
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Since when do you care whether or not there is a term for something? There IS a term for bi-sexuality, yet you claim it doesn't exist.... No, I claim that it is a sub-set of "gay". I've been EXTREMELY clear about that. And, in fact, the bi-guys here have copped to it. There objection is not being called gay. It's being called gay by someone who isn't gay. Straights don't get to have a position apparently. If they do, it's because they are "afraid" of the bi's.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined:
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Your revelation that you were trolling makes it hard to know how to respond to your posts. DON'T! Hell, I've TOLD YOU to not respond! I've told you multiple times that your response to my posts is just evidence that you want attention. I told you that if you stopped responding, it would be evidence that I was wrong about you guys just wanting attention. But, you just CAN'T DO IT. Can you? The attention is just too important to you. It's deliciously ironic that you guys have spent pages and pages and pages complaining about how unfair it is that I color you as being gay (which you admit to) and wanting attention (which CLEARLY you do). So, go ahead, make some pissy insult and prove to me that you don't need to reply. Oh shit. You would be doing that in a reply.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
I've told you multiple times that your response to my posts is just evidence that you want attention. I told you that if you stopped responding, it would be evidence that I was wrong about you guys just wanting attention. But, you just CAN'T DO IT. Can you? And that one? See. You _CAN'T_ stop. This thread will go on forever with you posting messages about how you don't have to post messages and me pointing out that you are still posting the messages. All you had to do was leave it alone and you JUST COULDN'T DO IT. Too funny
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Hi! Welcome to a debate thread. The format is where you post your opinion and then others criticise or otherwise argue with you. It is not a sign of 'wanting attention' that we are debating with you, it is a sign of enjoying debating with people that we are debating with you. If you do not want someone debating with you, don't post and then there won't be anyone debating with you. You don't get to disown your negative stereotypes by blaming the person responding to them, I'm afraid. I'd believe you except that you went running to mommy to bitch about how mean I was being. I'm not disowning anything. I made it quite clear that I think you just want attention.You made it quite clear that I was right. I pointed that out. You told me I was afraid of you and started crying and complaining.... to get MORE attention. If you don't want attention, stop seeking attention.If you don't want me to have an opinion, tough crap. You don't get to disown what I have to say just because I don't have sex with dudes.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
The correct response to people trolling is to bring it up in the appropriate thread for moderator attention. There are rules here, don't cry to me that you admitted breaking them, and someone pointed this out. At least I was (straight) man enough to admit that I was giving you back what you were giving to me. Oh wait, let me guess. It's only trolling with "straight boys" do it. When you gay guys do it, it's called "fairness" - right? Give me a break. This thread 4 days of gay rape jokes because you guys decided to attack me for daring to say that bi-sexuals were gay and that my opinion didn't count because I don't have gay sex. You REALLY think I'm going to let that stand?
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
And that one? Or that one?
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
How about that one? What about this one?
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Who's getting the most attention on this thread by far, and who is behaving in a bizzare and contradictory manner that could be well explained by attention seeking? The only other thing that I can think of that might explain your extraordinary behaviour would be the hypothesis that you're a closet bisexual in denial. Are you? Nah, but I will admit that I am getting the most attention. I never claimed I wasn't interested in attention. I'm not trying to present an argument about how I'm _not_ seeking attention. I'm just responding to people who are claiming that they don't want attention by posting messages about how important it is that they don't want attention.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
I don't know what it is about this topic that gets you so emotional..... But you have lost absolutely all perspective here. Hey man, you started it! You were the one that posted the first bi comment in a jokey manner. I replied in kind. Then my participation ended for 4 days until I was told I didn't get to have an opinion because I'm straight.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
You will have to make your question more explicit. I thought we were just playing "who gets in the last word". It seems like all your responses have been reduced to "and that one" over and over again. I figured you had given up on communication and just wanted attention.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
If a straight person were to argue with you, would you fob them off as just another straight guy who wants attention? If a straight guy were to spend three days posting messages about how he didn't want attention, then HELL YES I WOULD. Someone who didn't want attention wouldn't be posting.
I still can't find where someone said that you can't have an opinion And after I directly quoted it in my response. Funny how hard it is for you to find it.
ask yourself how can a debate honestly continue if the integrity of a debator is in question. If you can't answer that last question, I can only conclude that everything you've written since was attention seeking. This debate NEVER had integrity. It was 4 DAYS of gay rape jokes before one or more of the gays decided that it was important to inform the "straight boy" that his opinion didn't count. From there it was me pointing out that the self described bi guys wanted attention and them demanding that attention be paid. You can claim it was me running the train off the rails, but I'm the one that WALKED AWAY when it was all about rape.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
I've asked you nicely, would you please highlight those parts of your posts that you believe to be true? Thank you. Okay.
If a straight guy were to spend three days posting messages about how he didn't want attention, then HELL YES I WOULD. Someone who didn't want attention wouldn't be posting. And after I directly quoted it in my response. Funny how hard it is for you to find it. This debate NEVER had integrity. It was 4 DAYS of gay rape jokes before one or more of the gays decided that it was important to inform the "straight boy" that his opinion didn't count. From there it was me pointing out that the self described bi guys wanted attention and them demanding that attention be paid. You can claim it was me running the train off the rails, but I'm the one that WALKED AWAY when it was all about rape. Now, could you offer evidence of the following:a) That I WOULDN'T respond to a straight guy who was posting about how he didn't want attention. b) That I didn't quote it in my response. c) That I think this debate ever had integrity d) That I didn't leave the debate and get called back in for being straight. e) That I never pointed out that people wanted attention f) That there were a bunch of posts about gay rape After all, you are essentially claiming that nothing that I am posting is believable and demanding that I repeat every post multiple times. Maybe you would BOTHER to actually provide something to the debate apart from insults. Or do I need to go complain to the overlords about your failure to adhere to "rule 10"?
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
How can we take your word for it? That's the trouble. You don't have to. I honestly don't care if you believe me or not. I'm not defensive about my lack of interest in gay sex. I'm pro-gay. I think they have the right to do what they want, even if I don't get why they would want to do it. If I were to spend 40 posts arguing with you about how you were afraid of straights and insisting that in no way was I gay, then you would have good reason to question what I was saying. Just like if I were to spend 40 posts arguing that I don't seek attention, you would be right to question whether or not that was true.
You've given us the opinion that "out" bisexuals are an attention-seeking subset of gays Yes. They've admitted to being a subset of gays. And their continued insistence on getting attention has made it clear that they are attention seeking. Ergo "attention seeking subset of gays".
Ah! A clue. Perhaps you're an attention seeking closet "gay" who would call himself a bisexual if he wasn't in double denial. Isn't "double denial" a double negative? You don't need to be gay to be attention seeking, but you do need to be gay to be bisexual.
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