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Rrhain
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Message 15 of 129 (641535)
11-20-2011 5:08 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Chuck77
11-19-2011 4:44 AM


Chuck77 writes:

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to say tumors cannot be attributed to him because of neurology is forgetting about what and who caused the fall of man that was then followed by sickness and disease (according to what we know of him). This isn't a good case to make against him.

Ooh! We're back to the question no one ever answers!

Is there anything that happens on its own or is god required for everything?

Now, granted, this is a variation, since we're talking about the devil rather than god, but the basic concept is there: Is there anything that happens on its own or are all things caused by supernatural agents? When I drop a ball from my hand, does it fall to the ground all on its own or does some divine agent come down and deliberately, consciously, and purposefully push it down to the ground such that if that agent decided against it, it would float in mid-air?

Hopefully, you can see the point behind this question: If there are things that can happen on their own, what makes you think this isn't one of them? But before we can get to that question, we need the answer to the first one.

Now, if I recall correctly, I think crashfrog is the only person who has ever answered that question (and I've been asking it of people in such debates for more than a decade). Let's see if you can be the second:

Is there anything that happens on its own or is a supernatural agent required for everything?

It's a yes-or-no question. You can explain why you say yes or no all you wish, but you have to say yes or no first.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Posts: 6349
From: San Diego, CA, USA
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Message 20 of 129 (641595)
11-20-2011 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Chuck77
11-20-2011 5:27 AM


Chuck77 responds to me:

You were the one who brought up Satan with regard to the tumor as if the tumor were caused by divine forces rather than biology. So I wanted to know if you thought it were possible for anything to happen via mere biology or if we need to invoke the supernatural for every occurrence.

Since you seem to agree that there are things that happen without any need for zap-poofing to take place, the question then becomes why you doubt that this is one of them and how you can tell that a tumor that affects a person's ability to distinguish right from wrong is somehow of supernatural origin.

You've agreed that a line is to be drawn. Now we're only arguing about where.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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