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Author Topic:   Austerity measures have they ever saved an economy?
Dr Adequate
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Message 78 of 168 (649058)
01-20-2012 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by RobS
01-20-2012 6:30 AM


Re: No Income No Spend
Now CONCENTRATE...lost as compared with a system that does have profit...see.
System with added value = Proprietary interest system. (Non Govt.)
Proprietary interest system - (MINUS) added value = Non Proprietary System (Govt.)
So to get from a system with added value to a system without added value, you loose the added value...lost as in not there anymore.
That should make it clear...if it doesn't then I can't help you.
If you're going to be that gnomic about your beliefs, then even if you're 100% right you're never going to help anyone.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 79 of 168 (649059)
01-20-2012 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by New Cat's Eye
01-19-2012 12:53 PM


Re: No Income No Spend
I guess it could've been phrased better as it costing the government $600 to give the contractor $20 for a hammer. I'm under the impression that there is a cost to running the government, itself, and that it can be terribly inefficient in how much it costs it to spend money to buy things. I don't know how bad it is, and I doubt it really costs $600 for a hammer, but I don't think that all of the "spending" (or costs) of the government contributes to private income.
Well, as NoNukes points out, it has to go somewhere. In the end, people get the money, it doesn't get thrown into some big pit.
If the government was not only wasteful, but also venal and corrupt, and the other $580 in your hypothetical example went on whores, drugs, and gambling, it would still be the case that every dollar would end up in someone's pocket.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 80 of 168 (649060)
01-20-2012 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by New Cat's Eye
01-19-2012 4:43 PM


Re: No Income No Spend
So then its not really spending... but if you gotta move $600 around to spend $20, then surely there's some inefficiencies there that could be trimmed down, no?
Yes, but that's a whole different question.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 82 of 168 (649065)
01-20-2012 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by crashfrog
01-20-2012 7:54 AM


Re: No Income No Spend
Profit isn't creative; profit is the deadweight loss between the market-clearing price and the marginal cost of production. Profit is the inefficiency that disappears in a completely competitive market.

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