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Author Topic:   Anti-Science bill in Indiana.....
Warthog
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Message 20 of 154 (650798)
02-03-2012 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by hooah212002
02-02-2012 8:04 PM


Re: Bill Heading to House
I think you're on the same page but a different paragraph
quote:
The governing body of a school corporation may
offer instruction on various theories of the origin of life. The curriculum for the course must include theories from multiple religions, which may include, but is not limited to, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Scientology.
The Bill is referring strictly to the origins of life unless I'm misinterpreting. This, of course is not evolution.
So technically, it shouldn't have much of an impact until the fundies realise that this means that they have to share their 'gospel truth' propaganda in a class with the heathens (everyone who is not YEC). By the letter of the law, the teaching of evolution should remain untouched. This is what should happen.
Remember that the fundies are notorious for twisting language to suit their own purposes (it's just a theory). The clever manipulation here will be when the fundies then say that evolution is the origin of life and try to entangle creationism/ID with science again. This is what will happen.
This is a classic trojan horse which is working exactly as intended. Lots of people will look at it and say 'well, that's ok - this is really just comparitive religion and abiogenesis isn't really important in high school level anyway. no big deal'. It's only later that they'll realise that the gate has been left open and the schools are infested with fundies...

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Message 66 of 154 (651168)
02-05-2012 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Chuck77
02-05-2012 3:47 AM


quote:
Heck, i'd even take them just showing all of the inconsistancies of the TOE instead of Teaching Creationism or ID.
Absolutely. After all, who ever heard of a crocoduck?
quote:
After everyone saw the whole story im sure after time schools would start adopting other theories to teach than one with no evidence suppoting it's theory
Yep.
Then they can start teaching the true stories with real historical evidence...
In the begining there was only chaos. Then out of the void appeared Erebus, the unknowable place where death dwells, and Night. All else was empty, silent, endless, darkness. Then somehow Love was born bringing a start of order. From Love came Light and Day. Once there was Light and Day, Gaea, the earth appeared.
Prometheus and Epimetheus were spared imprisonment in Tatarus because they had not fought with their fellow Titans during the war with the Olympians. They were given the task of creating man. Prometheus shaped man out of mud, and Athena breathed life into his clay figure.
Selected snippets taken from here and here.
After all with this much evidence of the Trojan War to back it up. The rest of the Greek histories must be true too. We have even discovered the real location of Mt Olympus. Some have foolishly claimed that this can't be true but The Mountain is far too high for any human to ever climb. So it can never be disproved. No matter how hard they try. The ones who say that they have are clearly lying.
Down with atheist propaganda!
Edited by Warthog, : grammatical gremlin squashing

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Warthog
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Message 71 of 154 (651184)
02-05-2012 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Coyote
02-05-2012 10:08 AM


Re: Equal rights?
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Coyote was quite willing and complied, but immediately afterwards lay down and died.
Geez, it's tough being a Coyote.
quote:
The Bald Eagle went away and left Coyote dead, but presently returned and revived him.
Good thing too or you wouldn't be telling us this story.
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Coyote agreed, and tried again
Don't we all...

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Message 87 of 154 (651394)
02-07-2012 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by purpledawn
02-07-2012 7:51 AM


This is all well put and well presented.
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I have room for a witty summary or sign off. Still working on that. How's it look so far? Should I include the link to the tenets
I would've made reference to the potential court case this could bring but that may seem needlessly antagonistic.
If you include links, they would be more effective if they are associated with the people behind pushing the bill - especially if it is them actually saying it. That would give them much more weight, assuming anyone checked.
Good luck with it.

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Warthog
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Message 119 of 154 (652494)
02-14-2012 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Artemis Entreri
02-13-2012 6:49 PM


Re: we know how it did not start.
quote:
lack of evidence is not evidence, you seem to be saying that because there is no evidence then that is evidence that the bible is wrong.
Evidence of a contradictory hypothesis it evidence. There's lots of evidence of models that contradict the literal interpretation of bible.

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Warthog
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Message 124 of 154 (652528)
02-14-2012 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Artemis Entreri
02-14-2012 11:33 AM


Re: we know how it did not start.
quote:
I just stated that since the origin of life is unknown, that no one hypothesis is any better than the other.
Fair enough but the recent conversation is about evidence disputing creation myths. Nobody is arguing that likely hypotheses backed up by evidence shouldn't be taught as alternative viewpoints.
jar writes:
We know how it did not start, and eliminates covers EVERY religious creation tale.
AE writes:
based on what evidence?
jar writes:
Many many lines of evidence
AE writes:
lack of evidence is not evidence, you seem to be saying that because there is no evidence then that is evidence that the bible is wrong.
quote:
but I have never once said anything about the literal interpretation of the bible, other than beware of sola scriptura. you can take that straw man elsewhere.
In what other context could we be talking about evidence for or against religious creation accounts if not literally? Please don't dismiss this with a throwaway line and bypass it - I really want to know. There is no intentional attempt at a straw man here.
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I know you really want to put words into my mouth so you can argue your side, but this aint my 1st rodeo
I'm only reading and responding to the words you've written, cowboy.

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