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Author Topic:   Labor Pains In Colorado
RAZD
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Message 2 of 166 (656251)
03-17-2012 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
03-16-2012 5:39 PM


Hi Phat,
... With my position, I am uniquely positioned to see the pros and cons of each differing philosophy between corporate business, store management, union politics, and day to day union concerns.
Times are tough, now. Walmart is going to open 22-30 Grocery Stores ...
Indeed, the war on low income continues.
Sobering.
Enjoy

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RAZD
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Message 18 of 166 (656297)
03-17-2012 4:02 PM
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03-17-2012 10:46 AM


Hi Jon,
Why does the apartment have to have two bedrooms?
(1) it's a metric. The cost of a one bedroom apt is not that much less.
(2) Because in days past a family had one working member while the other took care of children. This basic family (good ol' family values eh?) would need two bedrooms - or more if they had many children.
Even if you consider both parents working there are areas where 80 hours at minimum wage is not sufficient ...
... and they still need to buy food and pay for utilities, transportation to work, etc.
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RAZD
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Message 28 of 166 (656309)
03-17-2012 4:23 PM
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03-17-2012 4:10 PM


Hi Jon,
Of course it is. Don't be silly.
Of course it isn't (assertion is so easy). If you claim it isn't then provide the evidence.
In a single bedroom apt you rent a kitchen area with appliances, living area, dining area, bathroom and a bedroom.
When you add a second bedroom you do not double all these areas or even increase them in size. The added square feet of the second bedroom is a fraction of the square feet in a single bedroom apt. Curiously retail space is rented on the basis of sq ft.
Well that's not the employer's problem.
No, but under the social contract it is his obligation to pay a fair wage for work performed. How you judge fair wage is by how much it can support a small family. This was the original basis for the federal minimum wage.
The picture I posted above show graphically why there is so much poverty in the US.
Folk need to stop living in the past.
Yes, I'd much rather live in a future that paid a fair wage, than go back to the past when child labor was a factor in family values.
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Message 30 of 166 (656311)
03-17-2012 4:28 PM
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03-17-2012 11:34 AM


Hi hooah212002,
For example: the Federal minimum wage is $7.25, while the minimum wage in GA is a paltry $5.15. Live on that.
Even worse, do that on a part-time job basis, where most minimum wage jobs are (also allows employers to opt out of benefits for the workers, so two part-time jobs do not get you the same total package as full time work with benefits.
I paid over $15,000 for health insurance last year for just the two of us, and there is no way a family with both working at minimum wage could afford that and a two bedroom apt.
Enjoy.

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