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Topic: Innocence Riots
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 64 of 256 (673627)
09-20-2012 5:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 62 by Dr Jack
09-20-2012 4:23 PM
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Re: "There's a campaign of hatred against us in the Middle East . . ."
Mr Jack writes: Our nations are currently engaged in occupation.
Reminds me of the Vietnam Occupation.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 87 of 256 (673690)
09-21-2012 1:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 83 by Straggler
09-21-2012 12:54 PM
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Re: "War"
Straggler writes: Who is at war with who in this war exactly?
In asymmetric warfare, words like "between" and "with" don't have much meaning. In the "war on poverty", even if it's just a figure of speech, poverty isn't fighting back at all. That's why it isn't called a war "with" poverty.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 111 of 256 (673728)
09-21-2012 5:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 106 by Percy
09-21-2012 4:53 PM
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Re: "War"
Percy writes: ... too much of the world hates America.
That's hardly breaking news. "Yankee go home" has been the third most popular phrase in the English language for a pretty long time (the other two being "Coca-Cola" and "Fuck you"). It's hard to believe you could get any less popular. Edited by ringo, : Splling.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 115 of 256 (673735)
09-21-2012 6:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 114 by Percy
09-21-2012 6:00 PM
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Re: "War"
Percy writes: This isn't to imply that they were in love with us before, and naturally countries never have unanimity of opinion, but there can be no doubt that however they felt about us at any point in the past, they like us a lot less now.
But there can be doubt. There is doubt. I, for one, doubt it. I doubt the whole process of "measuring" unpopularity. Your argument reminds me of Buzsaw's argument that we're having more earthquake activity than ever before. We hear more about it, yes, but is there really any more of it?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 128 of 256 (673772)
09-22-2012 12:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 116 by Percy
09-21-2012 7:58 PM
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Re: "War"
Percy writes: I'm not going by some frequency counter measurement of how often I hear about violence against America in the Arab world. I'm going by history.
Does the attack on Pearl Harbour indicate that Americans were disliked more in the 1940s than they were in the 1920s? American policies are bound to provoke reactions among radicals and to generate more sympathy among moderates for radical actions - but that doesn't necessarily translate into terrorist actions.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 138 of 256 (673873)
09-24-2012 1:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 130 by Percy
09-23-2012 8:20 AM
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Re: "War"
Percy writes: ... but the terrorists we're talking about are not ambiguous in their expressions of hatred for America.
I thought we were talking about rioters, not terrorists. The verbal and often violent expression of hatred is highly visible but it doesn't necessarily correlate to terrorism at all. Somewhere in a hotel in Europe, the next Bin Laden is coolly and calmly planning the next 9/11, oblivious to the riots.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 227 of 256 (674425)
09-28-2012 6:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 226 by onifre
09-28-2012 6:07 PM
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I cheered both you and Percy.
quote:
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to get, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
A time to rend, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate;
a time of war, and a time of peace.
-- Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
Once in a while, the Dusty Book gets it right. Life is complicated. Edited by ringo, : Removed inappropriate subtitle. Edited by ringo, : Splling.
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