If taking off my shoes and pushing my carry ons through an x-ray machine is what I have to do to prevent innocent people from dying than that is the least I can do. Seriously stop wanking.
Well said.
Here's actual footage of the terrorist task force (TSA) stopping would-be terrorist in action!
When it results in a police state situation like your video shows, it is definately is an issue that needs to be resolved.
The government has used "terrorism" to create a police state that is currently taking hold. American citizens are losing their rights more and more day by day all in the name of protecting us and securing the country from an enemy that the US created and continues to create.
From arresting protesters to locking people up for an unlimited amount of time without trails, to TSA patdowns of children and phone tapings, we are slowly becoming a police state and unfortunately most are either unaware, don't care, or support the cause because they've bought into the propaganda.
So we shouldn't go after a terrorist group who attacked innocent people on our home soil?
Afghanistan did NOT attack us, nor did Iraq - especially not Iraq. Why we are at "war" in both of those countries has to do with oil and control of the region. There's no need to try to pass our invasion of BOTH countries as some kind of right thing to do in response to 9/11. We can clearly see past the fasade.
The plan was in effect days after 9/11 to invade Iraq and follow up with an invasion of Sudan, Libya, Lebanon, Syria and Iran. I imagine you've seen the footage but for those who haven't here it is:
A few conspiracy theorist are claiming the "Innocence of Muslims" video was created by the CIA to create civil unrest in the MIddle East and give us an excuse to invade. I don't fully buy into the consiracy but judging by the history of this country I wouldn't put it past them.
They consider all of the Middle East holy land, and defend it.
they don't have a military
They sure do, it's just not as well funded as ours.
they used civilians to target civilians in an act that provided no military atvantage.
They do the best they can do with what little funds they have. Smashing planes into buildings is a poor mans version of a drone attack. It sent us into a financial colapse, which is what they wanted to do in order to take out the "evil" imperialist nation.
They're not fighting YOUR war, they're fighting THEIR war.
Um, I'm gonna go with not justifying the 9/11 attacks.
But can you see why they see the attacks on 9/11 justified?
I am saying that "war" is something that can only be done by a Nation State.
That's ridiculous.
quote:War is an organized, armed, and, often, a prolonged conflict that is carried on between states, nations, or other parties typified by extreme aggression, social disruption, and usually high mortality
Other parties is what "they" are. When two tribes are at war, it's WAR. Anyone can be at war with another group.
They are in a holy war - jihad - against us, as defined and declared by THEM.
quote:jihad noun \ji-ˈhd, chiefly British -ˈhad\
Definition of JIHAD : a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty.
Beliefs? I provided you with the definition of war, what are you talking about?
But an organization must be one that is recognized, has a form and a government.
Can you provide evidence for that, or is this your opinion? If it's your opinion then fine, I don't have a problem with that. But then you'd prove Straggler's point.
To have a war there must be some way to end the war and unless there is a recognized government there is simply no way to end a war.
Can you provide evidence for that, or is this your opinion? If it's your opinion then fine, I don't have a problem with that. But then you'd prove Straggler's point.
Sorry but them's the facts.
If they are the facts then you should have no trouble providing evidence for it.
They who? We're not really talking about one cohesive group here. And personal considerations are not what determines sovereign states.
C'mon, the Mujahideen/Al-Qeada. The US refers to them as militants. Once lead by Bin Ladin.
We are most certainly talking about a cohesive group, and if you don't think so then you should follow the link and read up on them a bit.
Militaries are more formal than what they have.
Just because we have matching uniforms doesn't make them any less a military. A military is a group that uses leathal force to defend it's land or country.
The funny part is, when they were fighting the Russians we called them the Afghan military. Now they're fighting us and we call them rebel militants.
The former is a terrorist attack and the latter is a military strike.
Not to them. Which proves Straggler's point that you would see it that way.
Did it? Apparently we can still afford the drone attacks.
No, but it was their goal. Which was your point.
We can still afford drones because you got up to go to work today. So long as there's a middle class, we'll have drone monies.
And our war is better classified as such.
Yeah, I get that you feel that way. That's the point. To THEM there is no higher authority then their God, therefore their war is the right war. The only war. It will end when all the infidels are dead. Ours is a war for oil and imperialist needs, which makes ours superficial and driven by greed. Which I don't fully disagree with them.
Yeah, and I can see why they see the subjugation of their women and killing their gays justified too... but that don't make it right nor acceptable.
Never said it was acceptable. I agree that a war fought in the name of a God is stupid. But they don't, and that remains the point.
But only one works well in some good ol' fashioned American pie.
I see no justification in that at all. Sorry but no where in those quotes did I justify anything.
No where have I discussed justification.
Yes you did. You said war is justified and murder is not. You said only Nation States can go to war and they cannot be at war. Therefore anything we do can be justified but nothing they do will be justified.
But, as I have shown you, they too are at war. War has nothing to do with being a "Nation State" and you have done nothing to prove it does.
My bad, what you said was that the actions of the US during a "war" can be justified.
See here:
Jar writes:
And of course I can see that children killed in drone attacks are collateral damage, unfortunate but perhaps justified.
Their actions however, since you feel it is a one-sided war, or that they cannot be at war, are murder at best (your words). And murder as you said is NEVER justified.
But, if you consider them at war too, then their actions can be justified as acts of war compared to that of the unfortunate children dead to drone attacks.
Is that a fact or is this your opinion? You haven't supported that statement with any evidence. In message 142 you said "I don't think non Nation States can conduct war."
So, you don't think they can or do you know that for a fact?
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