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Omnivorous
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Message 80 of 143 (676858)
10-25-2012 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by New Cat's Eye
10-25-2012 9:38 AM


CS writes:
High taxes does stifle newer business development and if you can promote that kind of growth then you can get more jobs n'stuff.
That seems reasonable on its face, but the historical record does not support the assertion; quite the opposite.
No GOP electoral victory in modern times has ever led to a lower deficit. The deficit has been the GOP's favorite cudgel for cutting social safety nets and social/infrastructure investment. They have no authentic interest in losing that political weapon.
Bush ran as a fiscal conservative; the deficit exploded; ditto Reagan. The strong economies of Reagan's second term and Clinton's tenure both followed tax increases; Bush's enormous tax cuts for the wealthy preceded the greatest economic collapse since the Depression.
During Bush's tenure, conservatives explicitly argued that "the deficit doesn't matter." Once a Democrat takes office, the GOP argues that no major government initiatives are possible because of the deficit (see Clinton and Obama years).
"Fiscal conservatism" is one of the biggest of the American conservatives' big lies.
Edited by Omnivorous, : too many quites
Edited by Omnivorous, : typo: outta practice

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Message 131 of 143 (677928)
11-02-2012 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by NoNukes
11-02-2012 10:00 AM


Time for predictions!
NoNukes writes:
Obama will likely win the electoral college vote.
I agree. I'm unwilling to predict much else, except the GOP will hold the House and Democrats will hold the Senate.
I'm less sure of these : Popular vote winner? Margins of victory? The likelihood of SCOTUS intervention in the democratic process? How many days between a Romney win and the invasion of Iran?
So...a few days from Election Day, what are folks willing to predict about it?

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Message 135 of 143 (677950)
11-03-2012 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Percy
11-03-2012 7:55 AM


Re: Time for predictions!
Percy writes:
Godwin strikes again.
Well, as Wiki points out:
quote:
The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses...
Conservatives responded to the disaster of Bush's neo-con owned presidency by claiming he was no true conservative--and moving sharply to the right.
I think Dr A is correct: the GOP will move sharply rightward, again.
And if you move right long enough, you find yourself following a man with a bad haircut, screaming for bloody solutions.

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