Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
7 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,919 Year: 4,176/9,624 Month: 1,047/974 Week: 6/368 Day: 6/11 Hour: 1/2


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Installing Windows 8
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 3 of 35 (677269)
10-28-2012 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Theodoric
10-28-2012 6:26 PM


Wasn't going to mess with it, but when I need a new laptop it will have to be Win 8 so figure I better learn it.
Why will it have to be? Microsoft has promised support for Win 7 well into 2020, so there's every possibility that people will simply opt not to move to Win 8. I recall in the Vista days, they kept selling Win XP installs for years.
I recall that you're not an Apple guy at all, so I won't suggest an iPhone. Do you recall my thoughts from last year in the big iOS vs Android thread? If you do, then you should find it significant that I would recommend an Android handset over the Windows phone.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by Theodoric, posted 10-28-2012 6:26 PM Theodoric has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 4 by Theodoric, posted 10-28-2012 10:51 PM crashfrog has replied

  
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


(1)
Message 5 of 35 (677284)
10-29-2012 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Theodoric
10-28-2012 10:51 PM


Not to sound insulting, but I find little you say significant.
Not to sound insulting, but that's probably because you're an idiot. Windows Phone has been out since November 2010, almost two years now. There will never be any such thing as a phone running Windows 8. Microsoft is flat-out misleading people in terms of the interoperability between the very different Windows Phone, Windows RT, and Windows 8 environments, as a lot of people who bought the Surface this week discovered. Frankly the notion of having one UI for three very different platforms makes no sense. Why would you expect to use your tablet and phone and desktop in the same way? What problem is Microsoft trying to solve?
As far as being snappy, I read a Bit-Tech article comparing real-world usage benchmarks between Win 7 and Win 8. In every respect, on the same hardware, Windows 8 was at least 5% slower. There's just no compelling case for the "upgrade", here. Microsoft can't force OEM's to stop selling Win 7 installs if that's what customers want. (Sorry, no link cuz I'm on the phone, but it's on the front page still. Bit-tech.net)

This message is a reply to:
 Message 4 by Theodoric, posted 10-28-2012 10:51 PM Theodoric has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 8 by Theodoric, posted 10-29-2012 8:59 AM crashfrog has replied

  
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 9 of 35 (677349)
10-29-2012 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Jon
10-29-2012 12:59 AM


Re: Windows 8?
I just googled this new-fangled OS. What a mess...
Honestly it's not that much different. I've been running the preview version. It's basically a couple of bug fixes, plus now instead of a start menu, there's tiles that come up when you hit the Windows key - aka that one key you've long since trained yourself never to touch.
It looks like something for people who want to wear foil suits and have no other use for a computer besides playing video games, listening to music, and taking endless pictures of their cats...
Oh, quite the contrary. I'm here to tell you that gamers aren't touching this with a ten-foot pole. It's a 5-10% performance hit with no upside. We're sticking with Win 7 Ultimate, thank you very much.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 6 by Jon, posted 10-29-2012 12:59 AM Jon has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 12 by New Cat's Eye, posted 10-29-2012 11:18 AM crashfrog has not replied
 Message 15 by Rahvin, posted 10-29-2012 12:25 PM crashfrog has not replied
 Message 34 by Stile, posted 12-24-2012 12:24 PM crashfrog has replied

  
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 11 of 35 (677354)
10-29-2012 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Theodoric
10-29-2012 8:59 AM


They are releasing a new phone operating system.
No, they're releasing a new version of Windows Phone, which has been out since 2010, and has always had the "Modern UI" tiles thing. My understanding is, that's where it's from actually.
Do you think people do?
I don't think anybody does, no. When you use your computer, people sit down with a mouse and keyboard and click icons. When you use your phone, you hold it in one hand and either swipe around with your thumb, or poke at it with your other finger. When you use your tablet, it's more about multiple-finger gestures and occasional keyboard input - either on-screen or physical.
When you use your phone, files and resources are app-specific; you only see your music in the music player, you only see your pictures in the camera app and photo viewer, etc. There's no notion of a "finder" or "explorer" where you traverse a file system where all your resources are abstracted as files for you to move around. A desktop, you do. A tablet, kind of depends; for the most part, tablets are consumption devices as opposed to creation devices, so traversing a file system isn't what you really want to do. If you work with files, it's probably on cloud storage instead of local to the device.
Moreover, the kind of user who would be confused by multiple UI's - your grandpa, let's say - doesn't have more than one of the above. Maybe he's got a tablet from his adult kids, who figure that a simple finger-pointing UI and LTE wireless is a great way to get him connected with the rest of the world. They can Skype or Facetime with the grandkids without having to fix the computer every Thanksgiving. If he has a phone, it's one of those Jitterbug phones with the big buttons. Maybe he's got a desktop but it's precisely because he can't figure out how to use it and keep it running that his kids got him the tablet.
So, crisis averted. Now, though, Microsoft has created three separate operating systems that look like they're the same, and they're called the same thing - "Windows 8" - but they're not the same, they won't run the same software, except that you can run Metro apps in the Win 8 Metro screen, but they don't store data the same way. Or, as Paul Thurrott has so helpfully put it:
quote:
Microsoft makes such a solution, in its SkyDrive desktop application for Windows. This application is completely different from the SkyDrive (mobile, Metro-style) app that ships as part of Windows 8.
(Sadly, Microsoft is confusing matters by retroactively calling everything an app. So in its terminology, the Windows desktop application is named the SkyDrive app for Windows. Honestly, it’s more of a plug-in for File Explorer than an app or application. But I will continue to refer to desktop applications as applications, in order to differentiate them from Metro-style mobile apps.)
When you install the SkyDrive application for Windows, it creates a SkyDrive folder in your PC’s file system and then syncs the entire contents of your SkyDrive cloud storage to that location. (We’re all hoping a future update to this application will allow us to decide which parts of the cloud storage get synced, but for now it’s all or nothing.) Everything is automatically kept in sync between your PCs and the SkyDrive.com cloud storage, so you can access your files, which are always up to date, from virtually anywhere.
You canand shouldhave both the SkyDrive app and the SkyDrive desktop application on all Windows 8 PCs.
I'm sure your grandpa should have no problem with that. Just remind him to call Windows desktop applications that look like mobile apps "applications", and Windows Metro mobile applications that you run on the Windows desktop "apps", but that Microsoft refers to both kinds of software as "apps", even though Windows desktop applications won't run on most Windows mobile platforms. I'm sure he'll remember, aren't you?
Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 8 by Theodoric, posted 10-29-2012 8:59 AM Theodoric has not replied

  
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


(1)
Message 35 of 35 (685656)
12-24-2012 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Stile
12-24-2012 12:24 PM


Re: For the Nerds
What does Ultimate allow you to do that is unavailable in Pro and is useful for gamers?
Ultimate has a bunch of the Enterprise features, like Virtual Disk booting, which occasionally come in handy, I guess. Mostly I just think gamers like stuff that says "Ultimate" on it.
As it turned out, I bit the bullet and installed Win 8 as well, and I find I kind of like it - I like the Start Screen more than I ever liked the Start Menu, Win 8 has better features for multi-monitor use (I have 3), and I've not noticed whatever framerate hit others have been seeing. Combined with Win 8's UEFI boot and my SSD, it boots up super-fast. But the installation was not without its hiccups. The seamless upgrade didn't work at all; I had to install to a clean drive, as it turned out.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 34 by Stile, posted 12-24-2012 12:24 PM Stile has seen this message but not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024