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Author Topic:   Who hurts the US Healthcare system worse?
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Message 139 of 316 (685793)
12-27-2012 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by onifre
12-10-2012 2:51 PM


Re Old Folks
Hi oni,
onifre writes:
But don't seniors have their own healthcare system provided by the government?
Yes it's called Medicare with a premium taken out of the SS check each month.
The last year I find complete actual costs state:
Medical service (Seniors) $451.6 billion.
Vendor Payments (Welfare) $330.7 billion.
Health research and training (552) $34.2 billion.
Welfare $502.3 billion.
So welfare and medicaid vendor payments = $833 billion.
Which is $381.4 billion more than what taking care of the old folks costs. Which the old folks pay 10% of their SS check towards.
These payments are what the Federal Government pays and does not include what the States pays.
You can dig deeper here if you like.
BTW "Federal welfare spending has grown by 32 percent over the past four years, fattened by President Obama’s stimulus spending and swelled by a growing number of Americans whose recession-depleted incomes now qualify them for public assistance, according to numbers released Thursday.
Federal spending on more than 80 low-income assistance programs reached $746 billion in 2011, and state spending on those programs brought the total to $1.03 trillion, according to figures from the Congressional Research Service and the Senate Budget Committee."
The Washington Times here
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 146 of 316 (685823)
12-27-2012 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by onifre
12-27-2012 11:39 AM


Re: Body Composition
Hi oni,
onifre writes:
That is linked to dietary issues as well, or rather the industrial food market that has poisoned the stuff we eat.
My wife would disagree with you on that oni.
Her baby sister died of cancer when she was 39 years old, and her daughter died at 33 years old from cancer.
Her sister that was 4 years older than her died at 57 from cancer. Her daughter died at 35 with cancer.
Her sister that was 7 years older than her died at 47 years old, her daughter is now 48 and cancer free.
Her oldest sister is a breast cancer survivor and is 88 now and had no daughters.
Her brother that was 6 years younger than her died from cancer.
They all lived in differnent parts of the country and ate many different foods after they left home.
My wife is involved in a Sister's program and is checked regularly for any signs of cancer. At age 72 she is still cancer free. When she dies her body will be used to study and see if they can find out why she did not have cancer when all her sister's have had cancer.
But yes cancer is a very expensive medical problem.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 147 of 316 (685826)
12-27-2012 2:02 PM
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12-27-2012 12:26 PM


Re: Military
Hi oni,
onifre writes:
Well that's good. At least it's not being spent on military weapons and things designed to hurt people.
But protecting the states with funds collected from the residents of the states is the primary job of the national government.
onifre writes:
While I recognize the need to fix the Welfare system,
The system is OK. The problem is with how it has been administered, allowing all the abuses to begin and continue, and the promotion of irresponsibility rather than responsibility.
onifre writes:
I'd rather see low-income people get the money the government takes from us then the military industrial complex.
The last year with actual costs was 2010 and the military defense was 693.6 billion of which 11.4 billion was for foreign military aid, and 33.8 billion was for foreign economic aid.
So the welfare spends more than the military defense. But veterans benefits and health care is not included in the military defense.
I would rather see the waste removed from both systems.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 219 of 316 (686769)
01-03-2013 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by onifre
12-28-2012 2:08 AM


Re: The China Study
Hi oni,
onifre writes:
Conclusion seems pretty simple. Forget healthcare reform, we need food reform (ie. more veggies, zero fast food, zero junk food, and grass fed meat ONLY in our stores) and fatties need to get on the treadmill and do some kettle bell workouts. We'll make it to old age just fine without depending on the government for medical help like those indigenous people.
I think the food problem is caused by the genetically engineering that has taken place in the food industry over the last 60 years.
The last year I farmed to make money was 1962. We had always grown tobacco as a money crop. I had been involved in agriculture in school and was using all the new and improved methods, but until 1962 the best I could do in producing lbs of tobacco per acre was an average of 1900 lbs per acre. In 1962 I was invited to use a special genetically engineered tobacco seed. That year I produced 3200 lbs of tobacco per acre. It wasn't the highest grade but it averaged only 8cents per lb less that the highest grade. I had no bug problems of any kind and did not have to use any poison.
At that time a chicken had about 1/8 th the white meat that a chicken does today.
It is getting harder and harder to get seeds or animals that have not been genetically engineered, including pumped full of steroids.
I gather from that, we are being exposed to chemicals and food that has been genetically engineered to produce more per acre, to be what is causing the obesity problem in America. Especially when you add in tv's and laziness.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 222 of 316 (687375)
01-10-2013 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 220 by onifre
01-08-2013 12:39 PM


Re: The China Study
Hi oni,
onifre writes:
How was it a bad thing to do that to tobacco? I mean, people are going to smoke it. Did it produce a more toxic tobacco?
The tobacco had at least twice as much tar as normal tobacco but to weigh as much as it did it needed to be more than twice the amount.
The tar I refer too is what gets on your arms when you pull the leaves off the stalk and put under the other arm until full and then you put in the sled. We had fire cured tobacco so we gathered 3 to 5 leaves at the time as the turned yellow on a weekly basis until all leaves were off the stalk.
The tar would turn your arm brown and was real stickey. The same substance remained in the tobacco when cured and turned into cigaretts. It is the same substance that turns a smoker's fingers brown, a filter brown, clothes, and furniture, it coats the lungs and destroys the liner in the lungs and causes cancer as well as teeth to rot.
Not a very good thing. That is the reason I quit smoking the same year I quit growing tobacco.
onifre writes:
I believe the laziness is directly correlated to the food we eat.
Laziness is a choice, produced by an attitude of let someone else do it. Why should I bother?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 224 of 316 (687430)
01-10-2013 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by onifre
01-10-2013 2:46 PM


Re: The China Study
Hi oni,
onifre writes:
You think all cases of laziness are a choice? You don't believe the food you eat ha anything to do with not having enough energy or will to be physically active?
I believe that the energy stored in the food we eat has a direct effect on the amount of energy we can expend in activity without getting tired.
But a person that receives enough food to power the body for a day's work and will not preform the work is lazy.
A person that is not willing to work to provide food for himself/herself for their family is lazy. A person that would rather sit around and watch TV and let someone else supply the food for their family is lazy.
I have worked since I was 4 years old.
At 4 I had to wash the dishes. It didn't make any difference that grandma had to rewash some of them. But by the time I was 5 she did not have to rewash any of them.
By the time I was seven I began to work in the fields along side of the men. By the time I was nine I was contracting croping tobacco 6 days a week. By the time I was twelve I was running the farm as my dad had got a job as inspector with the state DOT.
I am now 73 and during my lifetime I received unemployment for two months during hunting season when the company I was working for got slow on work. So by mutal agreement I was laid off. I returned to work after hunting season ended.
Everything I have was earned by applying the skills I had and those I acquired over my lifetime.
I had an injury in 1959 that I could have applied for SS Disability and received payments from then until now had I chose to do so. I chose to overcome my problems and work and provide for my family.
Had I chose to go the SS disability route I would have been lazy.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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