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Is it egotistical to think that a God would die for you?

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Message 21 of 169 (701450)
06-19-2013 11:58 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
05-31-2013 1:09 PM

Here's where I got lost as a kid when I heard it and even today when people repeat it:
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Is it egotistical to think that a God would die for you?
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God would demand the sacrifice of a so called son just to prove it's benevolence.
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So did god die for us or did he send his son to die for us? Are they both gods? How are they one and the same? No one has ever explained that to me in a way that makes sense.
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- Oni
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06-20-2013 2:41 AM 		Reply to: Message 23 by Faith
06-19-2013 1:34 PM

Re: The Trinity
but God the Father sent Him to die for us.
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Yeah here's where it doesn't make sense. Maybe it's like Coragyps says, it makes no sense because it is scripture, or rather just a more current mythology.
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The quote above means it's two different people: god sent his son means god is one person and his son is obviously his offspring.
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- Oni
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06-20-2013 9:12 AM 		Reply to: Message 27 by Faith
06-20-2013 5:04 AM

Re: The Trinity
He is the first resurrection of a human being from the dead
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You forget Osiris. He was resurrected about 2500 years before the story of Jesus.
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- Oni
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06-20-2013 9:35 AM 		Reply to: Message 34 by Faith
06-20-2013 9:32 AM

Re: The Trinity
The story of Osiris is ridiculously unlike the story of Jesus, obviously a myth.
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I didn't say the story was like the story of Jesus. I said he was resurrected like in the story of Jesus.
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The myth isn't always told the same way for one thing. Part of the myth sometimes involves others bringing him back to life.
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But he was still resurrected.
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which have the stamp of truth in them
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My Bible doesn't have a stamp. Do I have the wrong Bible?
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- Oni
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Message 50 of 169 (701811)
06-26-2013 1:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
06-26-2013 2:32 AM

Re: The first to see Jesus after He'd risen
Ravi has a decent answer. A lot of the infidels who attack scripture have as a motive discrediting it.
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Infidels? Are you really supporting someone who calls those who question the veracity of the Bible infidels?
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Or was that your word?
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They are not honestly seeking to understand scripture---they already have their minds made up that God isnt real.
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This is what people say when they believe dumb shit and everyone else around them has pointed out why it is wrong. There is nothing special about the way YOU read the scriptures and the way I do. Just because you fallaciously put the cart before the horse doesn't mean the rest of us are going to.
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- Oni
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07-08-2013 2:14 PM 		Reply to: Message 139 by Faith
07-05-2013 2:50 PM

Re: Agony
All the effort that goes into doubting the credibility of the witnesses, their character, their motives, and so on, only serves to get rid of the very evidence that proves God.
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Because there is a lot more evidence that humans lie about miracles happening and make up stories, rather than actual miracles accuring and them telling the truth.
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If this is the only evidence you have for the proof of god (a few eye witnesses) then you have no evidence at all.
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character of the witnesses reliable
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You can't possibly know that. This is what you have faith in. Just because a few people claim to have seen a miracle doesn't make that evidence of a miracle. Just as 1000's of people claiming to have seen bigfoot doesn't make that evidence for bigfoot.
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- Oni
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07-08-2013 4:49 PM 		Reply to: Message 161 by Faith
07-08-2013 2:33 PM

Re: Agony
it is ability to judge character from their writing and what is written about them.
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It's still a matter of faith. You can no more judge their character than I can, you simply have faith that they are credible.
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It's a judgment call, and either you have good judgment or you don't.
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Is that what your faith hinders on, a judgement call?
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Instead of judging the actual witnesses you apply some alien standard about what people in general supposedly do...
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You apply the same standard to questions about bigfoot.
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I don't think there have been thousands who have seen bigfoot
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I don't think any have seen bigfoot.
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but there are other reasons to doubt that stuff.
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What reasons would that be?
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- Oni
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Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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