Was Jesus' crucifixion all part of God's plan?

Doesn't humanity include you?

Yes. What is your point?

Well, you said, "Humanity does not have the spirit nor the intelligence to judge the Bible...specifically Jesus." So why is your judgement better than anybody else's?

Surely you dont think that everybody is on equal footing here.While I wont say that my judgement is superior, I will say that I believe that those who walk in "the Spirit" have an edge. (not of their own ability or piousness, mind you)I also think that many intellectuals are part of the wicked who wont see the truth. They simply refuse.

How do you identify those who walk in the "spirit"? What truth?

No, I think you're on shakier footing than some. You're the one who keeps changing his mind. I'm not the only one who has seen you backsliding into fundamentalism lately. Then you're the poster child for not walking in the Spirit.

It is blasphemy to consider the Virgin Mary in the same category with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God. The virgin mary is but human.....The church has no authority to promote her.

I've never heard of a Catholic Church that attempted to promote Mary as anything beyond "human." Have you heard differently?I've heard that they say she was Jesus' mom.
That makes her somewhat special (if you believe Jesus was born and had a mom, anyway...).
A virgin birth (if you believe Jesus was born from a virgin as well...) is also special, and deserves a bit of indication.But anything more than that? I don't recall any Catholic Church claiming anything more.If you think that what they are doing is "more than that"... then that is your own personal hangup... and perhaps the Catholic Church isn't for you. But you don't get to decide if someone else is claiming a religious figurehead "as a God" when they explicitly state otherwise. Or, at least, it needs a bit more than just your say-so.

This comment speaks volumes.What is blasphemy for you may not be blasphemy for someone else. Then there are those of us who do not think anything can be blasphemous. Pissing on a bible would mean nothing more than pissing on a text book. (Yes, stated this way for shock value to make a point.) And if they did(by the way they never have, you are letting your anti-catholic prejudices show), you would have no authority to stop them.Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Again, you are simply showing your ignorance and your inability to read.The only mention of Mary in the post you are replying to is from the Nicene Creed and no where does it conflate Mary with the Holy Spirit.What Church is promoting her?Have you ever read the Bible?Did Jesus have a mother?

yeah i noticed my error later...there are, however, some folks who try and elevate Mary to virtually a 4th member of the Trinity...I mistakenly ran with that. Request for the definition of the dogma of Mary as Mediatrix, Coredemptrix and Advocate Fortunately, Pope J2P2 nixed the proposal.

To start with, such individuals will show us the "fruits of the Spirit". Some, such as yourself, may argue that all people have these traits and an ability to walk in them. Others would argue that only a transformed mind and heart could walk in the Spirit. I have been taught that the latter is true. This is not to say that anyone could...by their own will...try their best to be good. And of course we get back to the concept of a fallen nature and Original Sin.So what does the evidence show us? (Observe the behavior of humanity throughout History)Lets explore a question. You say that Jesus life--as an example---is more important than His death(burial and resurrection).Why do you feel that the teachings which describe Jesus death as an atonement for All so repulsive,manipulative, and,in your opinion, WRONG?

Because it cheapens the message as well as Jesus, makes God look like an evil bloody fool, discourages doing what Jesus said we should do, is nothing but a cop-out and turns Christianity into a "What's in it for me con-game".

So basically you are essentially telling GOD (or Jesus) "don't help me...i think i've got this". Sounds a bit prideful to me.Why does God look like an "evil bloody fool"? Seems to me that humans are the only ones who ever shed the blood of each other.Cheapens the message....does this imply that the message has value only if we pay the bill rather than God?

You want a servant, I don't need one. That's not prideful just reality. You really don't read the Bible do you? What human has ever committed the barbaric acts attributed to God? But that's just plain irrelevant anyway.Only a total evil fool of a God would demand that his only son get sacrificed before he forgave humans. An God of any reason, intellect and mercy would say "Look, killing folk makes no sense. Remember Isaac? How many times must I tell you that human sacrifice does not please me and you need to stop that?It also cheapens Jesus but then cheapening Jesus seems to be a basic tenet of the Christian Cult of Ignorance. In the CCoI Jesus is nothing but a get outta hell free card. Yes. It is up to YOU to pay the bill.