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frako
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Message 22 of 142 (716587)
01-19-2014 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Col2v8
01-19-2014 9:16 AM


Re: dice?
remember those dice, they needed someone to roll them in the first place.
Just like the avalanche that falls on its own, those "dice" dont need someone to roll them.
Take a look at any life its base components are all chemical fallowing the laws of chemistry in our universe. All evolution needs to get started is a self replicating molecule. And in billions of years you can get something as "complex" as us and if you derive complexity from the size of the genome even something as complex as a marbled lungfish, With 40 times as many base pairs as us.
And yes evolution is a poor designer just look at the human eye no intelligent designer would design such a flawed thing. The retina is 'inside out The nerves and blood vessels lie on the surface of the retina instead of behind it, This arrangement forces a number of complex adaptations and gives mammals a blind spot.
No sensible person would design a seeing apparatus with a bunch of stuff in the way of the seeing receptacle. You put that stuff behind it. But evolution dosent mind dosent think it just does and a poor eye is better then no eye.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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frako
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Message 59 of 142 (717178)
01-24-2014 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by AndrewPD
01-24-2014 1:26 PM


It seems implicitly fuelled by atheism and the desire not to give a creator type thing any credit for any process in creating organisms.
No its fuelled by facts, You cant put things you dont observe or test in a theory no matter how you want to. So we cant put god in the mix even if god is the guy that is causing the mutations if we cant see him or test for his effect we cant include him. But if you can design a test that would prove or disprove the hand of god is causing say mutations, then we can include him in the theory of evolution.
But if reality has prior dispositions then that is a role for a creator. And you can't use the evolution model to explain why something exists in the first place only how it might work on a pre-existing universe of surprising amazing dispositions such as consciousness.
The fact of evolution is that living organisms changed over time there is no denying that unless you banged your head with the bible too many times.
The theory of evolution explains how these changes came to be. it does not deal with the creation of the universe, the creation of the planet, even the beginning of life. The same way the theory of gravity does not deal with electromagnetism.It makes no sense for it to do so.
If you want to attack the big bang theory or M theory then we can deal with why the universe came to be and why is it the way it is.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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