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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
we are debating with those who have already embraced belief-without-reason, i.e., faith Their world view includes supernatural as well as natural. This is what I believe iano was refering to:
iano msg 112 writes: This is a statement of someone who considers themselves limited to their senses. Not of someone who isn't. and rejected by Parasomnium:
Parasomnium msg 114 writes: On that note, you could say that the world doesn't have much to do with their view. While I believe it is possible to stand solidly in the natural world and allow for supernatural connections, things we don't know if we can validate but which we also cannot invalidate.
... occurs during ... a sort of meltdown/recrystallization process ... I think we will see some results from neuroscience and pschology of cognition that will show some of this tendency to be {chemical\brain} induced. The god-helmet is a clue in that direction. We will also see some genetic repairs to disfunctional brains, like parkinsons and alzheimers, in very the near future. What will be of interest to me is that when such cures become more commonplace, whether there will be some side-effects from such cures to cognition in other areas.
seems like a variation of Occam's razor... That was the intent.  Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
okay, I see your point -- some aspects of some world views are not open to being validated (as I had mentioned as well), so yes, utility would be a better word.
it implies more of a usefulness in mapping new information between {world view} and {unknowable real world} Consider my post ammended.
a person's world view should be judged soley on it's ability to allow them to work with others. Anything beyond that... who cares? For myself I care about the utility of my world view, and expect no less of others. Ultimately it comes down to interactions, but our interactions are not only with other people.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Will end up simply supporting majority decision on a subject as being the proper evaluation for the validity of world views. Though I suppose that doesn't change anything much from how it is currently handled. I look at it more as a way for an individual to assess the utility (to use ben's observation of a more valid word  ) of their own world view more than for others to be involved. I reject the notion of ghosts and spirits because I have not experienced anything like that (although I have had an out-of-body experience). People can recognize elements they reject as nonsense. Certainly at some social level, though, there is a tendency to do this already: we judge certain people to be insane or deluded because of the difference of their world view to that of the majority. by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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I completely disagree. Fundamentally disagree. And... I will ignore the comment, because I find that discussion much less interesting than the one we're talking about. We can take this discussion elsewhere, if necessary. (just realized, ... maybe this is due to your the thought behind your "mapping" statement above. Maybe we have to discuss it after all? awww.. ) oh gosh. this is heading towards another ... column ... and yes I do have some material assembled on this issue in an essay of mine -- perhaps we should discuss this elsewhere. 
Are you talking about how the earth really is like one organism, and that interaction is not just with people, but with all things? When we walk into a door we interact with it whether it exists in our world view or not. Just an extreme example. We walk on "solid" ground, but physically we cannot define that solidness as a {multi-linear\surface} boundary but as a set of discrete particles interacting on a much different scale than our perceptions of it. We need layers of understanding to include that in our understanding of the whole {life the universe and everything} enchilada. {abe}
It may explain experiences that they, and they alone, had. These experiences definitely include feelings and the like. A world view that is not "useful" in the "cultural" or "interpersonal" way I mentioned above still may turn out to be the most "useful" world view for that individual. Definitely. The unavoidablility of that occuring is what makes it predicatable that world views would be different for every individual, even for twins. This message has been edited by RAZD, 10*14*2005 04:58 PM by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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