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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
My argument has to do with the spirit of the Constitution: since preventing one denomination from dominating others is its spirit, arguing that it supports religions that aim to dominate the whole world can't possibly be Constitutional. Yeah, for example there's this sinister religion known as "Christianity". * ''World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. [...] Thus, Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land - of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ.'' (404- Not Found) * ''Those who are obedient to His commands will rule the world, reconstructing it for His glory in terms of His laws. [...] The nation that will not serve us will perish (Isa. 60:12); all the peoples of the earth will be subdued under our feet (Ps. 47:1-3)--promises made originally to Israel, but now to be fulfilled in the New Israel, the Church.'' (404- Not Found)
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Whatever it is, it isn't Christianity, which wants us to be separate from the world, in it but not of it, engaged with it, serving it as salt and light, offering people salvation, but not ruling. And yet I note that there are still a few Christians in Congress, which according to your doctrine is apparently something they should leave up to atheists and suchlike. So, your interpretation of the law is that when Christians start telling people what to do, they're not Christians but have some other religion which is not Christianity and which is not protected by the Constitution? I'm not sure I agree, but on the other hand if you can persuade the Supreme Court of this doctrine, I won't object too loudly.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Let me make it clearer: The RCC and Islam are quite happy to kill people in order to secure their rulership, when they are in a position to do so. Sadly they are not unique in that respect.
Serving in Congress is just participating in the society, which is in fact something we are to do as salt and light. I thought we were talking about RULING THE WORLD The distinction seems to be a purely verbal one.
And are those sites about dominionism? Yes. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
True, Nazism and Marxism share the mindset. Can you think of anyone you've missed?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
We're talking about ideologies that have the ambition to rule the world, right? and think killing and in some cases torturing anyone who objects is a reasonable way to achieve their ambition, right? I'd say I've covered the range here. Ooh, I can thing of someone you've missed. Does this ring any bells?
Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put heretics and blasphemers to death will knowingly and willingly incur their very guilt.This is not laid down on human authority; it is God who speaks and prescribes a perpetual rule for his Church. It is not in vain that he banishes all those human affections which soften our hearts; that he commands paternal love and all the benevolent feelings between brothers, relations, and friends to cease; in a word, that he almost deprives men of their nature in order that nothing may hinder their holy zeal. Why is so implacable a severity exacted but that we may know that God is defrauded of his honor, unless the piety that is due to him be preferred to all human duties, and that when his glory is to be asserted, humanity must be almost obliterated from our memories? Many people have accused me of such ferocious cruelty that I would like to kill again the man I have destroyed. Not only am I indifferent to their comments, but I rejoice in the fact that they spit in my face. Here's another clue: he was a theocrat who ruled over the city of Geneva with an iron fist, and he wrote that in defense of burning a man alive. Now I know you've heard of him ... Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Calvin had ONE heretic put to death and the rest of Protestantism thinks he was wrong, and he had no ambition to rule the world. You think he thought Geneva was enough? I'd say it was too much.
The execution of Servetus helped to solidify Calvin's hold on Geneva. In 1555, his friends were victorious in the elections, and a riot gave an excuse for crushing his enemies, some of whom fled while others were put to death. From 1555 to his death in 1564, Calvin was supreme in the city. Not only in the church but also in the state was his influence dominant; the councils treated him with great reverence and respect, granted his requests, and consulted him on matters of public policy. In 1559 he was asked to accept citizenship in Geneva, which he had previously refrained from doing to avoid the appearance of self-seeking. One of the most significant signs of his victory was that the right of excommunication was acknowledged to belong to the Consistory. This was something that Calvin had wanted since his first appearance in Geneva; until this time, however, the council had always insisted on taking part. From now on, the Consistory received the wholehearted cooperation of the civil authorities and the full Calvinist regime, as described earlier, was imposed on the citizens. Regulations were made more strict: For example, ministers were to have their dwellings throughout the city, in order to watch over vice more effectively. In 1558, edicts were issued that closely regulated clothing and food, to repress the extravagance that had prevailed in these areas. In 1561, the Ecclesiastical Ordinances of the Church of Geneva of 1541 were revised in such a way as to conform more closely to Calvin's wishes. The press was censored by the ministers. Crosses that remained on the church spires were removed. The number of excommunications rose. (Note the bit about his enemies being put to death.) But in what sense do Protestants not want to rule the world? (Apart from calling it "being salt and light"? Tomayto, tomahto.) If all you mean is that very few of them want to be sole ruler of the world, you could say that of the adherents of any religion. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
You didn't provide the source of that quote which is a pretty jaundiced attack on Calvin. Was any of it untrue?
Amazing you'd compare Calvin to the RCC which murdered fifty million or more over a six hundred year period, or Islam whose murders are uncounted and maybe uncountable nas far as I know, or the Russian revolution or Stalin or Mao whose murders exceed by far any of the religious murders, as do Nazism's so many millions in half a decade or so. Yeah, when you put it like that, it seems so unfair on Calvin. He just burned *one* guy to death, and everyone's so critical of him. Well, apart from the millions of people who proudly call themselves Calvinists.
You have to go out of your way to find your Protestant examples ... Right. When I'm looking for loathsome Protestants I have to scrape the bottom of the barrel and come up with minor figures such as Luther and Calvin, the fathers of Protestantism.
... and keep in mind that the Reformers were fresh from Catholicism too, some of whose bad habits took time to purge. Ah yes, of course, that's what was wrong with Calvin, he was too darn Catholic.
Funny how liberals exert themselves against Biblical Protestantism above all. And do you know why? Well one reason is because round here you guys are the source of most of the dumb shit. I mean, yeah, Catholics believe in transubstantiation, but they don't try to get it taught in chemistry class. Another reason is that they're arguing with you. If there was a fanatical Muslim round here, I'd laugh at his opinions too. But what we have, in fact, is a diehard Calvinist, a representative of a religion which is equally loathsome and ridiculous, and one which you parade before us on a regular basis.
Because it's the truth ... Which bit is the truth? The bit about how we should burn Unitarians as heretics, or the bit about the talking snake? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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