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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Fortunately, dictionaries are not authoritative and include multiple definitions plus they evolve as usages change.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
They often shop dictionaries until they find one that agrees with their desired outcome.
Just like they do with quotes from the Bible. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And I fully support your right to believe what you post.
GDR writes: If you want to believe that there is no difference between being wrong when you believe that you are right and being wrong when you know that you are wrong then so be it. However you are attributing a position to me that I have never espoused. Edited by jar, : added second section.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
GDR writes: You called Faith a liar for posting what she believed to be true. And you are taking things out of context and emulating Faith. I call Faith a liar when she uses willful ignorance as an excuse to believe matters that are factually false and demonstrably false and then assert those beliefs as though they were reality. If she would simply assert they were her beliefs I'd give her the same benefit of the doubt I try to give you; but you guys seem to work very hard to make that difficult.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
GDR writes: They may be factually and demonstrably false to you but they aren't to her. The foundation for her beliefs are not the same as yours. Agreed, but that is as I said, irrelevant. Willful ignorance is not a valid excuse. AbE: As I have said, if she would post as her beliefs I don't think anyone would really care; but belief and fact are not synonymous. Edited by jar, : see AbE:
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: And if belief is rightly invested in the revelation of the true Creator God, that revelation is a reliable source of important knowledge about the world among many other things. Which true Creator God? Allah? Or one from this partial list of creator Gods.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Of course, if GOD exists, the definition of the true Creator would obviously be the One Who existed before this list was even imagined. Remember GOD, God, and god? The true one is the one with three capital letters. Unless it was GODs. But how can one such thing be identified. The Great A'Tuin for example can be identified although as expected no one knows what sex the Great A'Tuin might be.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Subjectively, we can individually vote on our choice of belief based upon our internal criteria for such acknowledgment. Then we cannot present God or god or even GOD as a reality. We can only present something created by man.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Are some scientists biased or are they trained to never be biased? Of course scientists are biased but that is the strength of the Scientific Method. The result of any scientist are considered biased and thus replication by other scientists are a necessary step. It is that assumption that any results reported are wrong and biased until a whole body of other independent groups replicate the results and that even then the results are held only tentatively that separates science from religion.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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The fact remains that Roman Catholicism is still Christian Faith despite your fantasies.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That might be a reasonable position to take with those who seem to understand there is a difference between belief and reality.
But there are many where it seems that they cannot differentiate between belief and reality.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: So if one guy read Genesis and concluded that God lied and the snake told the truth, even if he could show it in the words, it likely would be a cult following that agreed with him, correct? But what is actually written in the story Phat?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Which describes you very nicely, jar, since you believe you are a Christian though the reality is that you are not because you don't believe the essential things that would make you a Christian. Yet the reality remains that I am a registered, enrolled member of a recognized Christian sect and thus a Christian despite your fantasies.
Faith writes: And you believe that the Pope is a Christian though the reality is that he is not, as I showed in Message 387. Yet the reality is that the Pope is a Christian and that you asserted the fantasies of your Cult in Message 387.
Faith writes: And you believe that you understand the Bible though the reality is that you do not. Yet the reality is that I believe the Bible actually says what it says instead of the fantasies of your Cult and so quote what the Bible actually says. Edited by jar, : fix sub-title
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: And theologians galore would find your readings of the Bible ridiculous. Yet reality shows that I believe the Bible actually says what it says. Theologians galore just make shit up to deny that the Bible actually says what it says. No one finds out whether they are saved until after they have died. Many do lie to themselves telling themselves that the know they are saved.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Well, the apostle John disagrees with you: 1 John 5:12-14 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14 And this is the confidence that we have before Him: If we ask anything according to His will, He hears us Yes Faith, the author of John did make such claims but offered nothing in support for his revisionist presentation. It's a great marketing gimmick with no real product liability for those folk selling that fiction.
Faith writes: jar writes: Yet reality shows that I believe the Bible actually says what it says. Theologians galore just make shit up to deny that the Bible actually says what it says. Poor old reality, it sure takes a beating from you. Yet I actually believe the Bible says what is written in the stories and do not try to make shit up to explain away the errors and contradictions.
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