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Author Topic:   A Book about the Anti-Trump Conspiracy
Percy
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Message 46 of 277 (836709)
07-21-2018 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Phat
07-21-2018 11:51 AM


Re: Admin Phat minus cape
Phat writes:

Faith does have sources that support her beliefs and suspicions...and in her defense, I will say that there are plenty of people who think as she does who can be linked as source material.

This is the "50 million Frenchmen can't be wrong" fallacy. The number of people who agree about something is not a supporting argument or "source material" (except maybe sociologically). It's the facts and rationale that matter, not the number of people who think something.

Perhaps in regards to evidence, she does have a large segment of the US population that thinks as she does.

No one doubts that there are plenty of people who think as Faith does. Clinton did win the popular vote 48.2% to 46.1%, but 46.1% is still a great many people.

But it is not a question of how many people think as Faith does. It's a question of whether they can bring facts and rational arguments to the table, instead of name-calling and bald declarations.

--Percy


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frako
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Message 47 of 277 (836712)
07-21-2018 12:38 PM
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07-21-2018 8:26 AM


1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others (prioritarianism) as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished (by advocating for social justice).[1] The term left-wing can also refer to "the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system".[5]

How do you merge the two?


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 48 of 277 (836715)
07-21-2018 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Faith
07-21-2018 4:36 AM


Re: The Left is the Oppressor these days
...I have been avoiding politics...I don't need the ulcer so I don't follow it.

Well in your case, that makes a lot of sense. If you were to follow a subject, you might accidentally become informed, and I think we all understand your fear of that.

...also fake Republicans...

And the Scotsmen! Don't forget the Scotsmen!

At least you're predictable. Ignorant and dishonest, but predictable.


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 49 of 277 (836716)
07-21-2018 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Faith
07-20-2018 5:26 PM


Pirro points out that Trump used to be hugely popular with the press and often presented him in a good light. She says he hasn't changed but once he won the Presidency on a conservative platform they committed to bringing him down.

Utter, flamboyant bullshit.

Trump was popular with the tabloid and entertainment fringe of the press. He was not of much interest to serious political reporters since he did little of value or relevance.

Once he entered politics he came under the same sort of scrutiny as every other politician. He has not weathered that well.

You lie, as always.


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ringo
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Message 50 of 277 (836717)
07-21-2018 1:27 PM
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07-20-2018 5:26 PM


Faith writes:

Pirro points out that Trump used to be hugely popular with the press and often presented him in a good light. She says he hasn't changed but once he won the Presidency on a conservative platform they committed to bringing him down.


We have higher standards for a President than for a clown on a reality show.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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AdminPhat
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Message 51 of 277 (836718)
07-21-2018 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Capt Stormfield
07-21-2018 1:24 PM


Keep Discussion Civil.
inappropriate response writes:

At least you're predictable. Ignorant and dishonest, but predictable.(...)You lie, as always.

Did you ever sit across from someone with a wart on their nose? In polite society, we dont bring up any perceived or obvious flaws in others. Forum Guidelines

This is a warning.


  • Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
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  • The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

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    Faith 
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    Message 52 of 277 (836719)
    07-21-2018 2:21 PM
    Reply to: Message 35 by AdminPhat
    07-21-2018 9:45 AM


    Re: Focus On The Book
    If you're going to "ahem" me for finally reacting to the abuse, you are totally missing what is going on here.

    That's OK, I'm going to try to leave the thread myself. There is no way to fight this kind of abuse.

    Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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    Faith 
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    Message 53 of 277 (836720)
    07-21-2018 2:28 PM
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    07-21-2018 1:42 PM


    Re: Keep Discussion Civil.
    At least you're predictable. Ignorant and dishonest, but predictable.(...)You lie, as always.

    Did you ever sit across from someone with a wart on their nose? In polite society, we dont bring up any perceived or obvious flaws in others. Forum Guidelines
    This is a warning.

    Did you actually agree that I'm ignorant and dishonest? Some moderator.


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    AdminPhat
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    Message 54 of 277 (836721)
    07-21-2018 2:29 PM
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    07-21-2018 2:21 PM


    Re: Focus On The Book
    Im not picking on you---I realize that you get a lot of abuse. Percy seems less condescending than others...he never attacks you personally except pointing out that you dont provide evidence in the way he feels it needs to be provided. Note that I am moderating for any personal insults. I would prefer that we argue the position and not the person. Also note that I brought up the Journalism Professor that you were talking about.

    I really wish that everyone would acknowledge that the Left and the Right, though differing ideologically, are both human and that neither side has any monopoly on either evil or intelligence.

    Did you actually agree that I'm ignorant and dishonest?
    No. Note that I used the word "perceived". I may see you and others here(myself included) as occasionally ignorant, but never dishonest.
    and if we had tougher moderators, there would be no discussion forum here.

    Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.


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    Faith 
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    Message 55 of 277 (836725)
    07-21-2018 5:29 PM
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    07-21-2018 2:29 PM


    Re: Focus On The Book
    ... and if we had tougher moderators, there would be no discussion forum here.

    What discussion? There hasn't been any real discussion here for years. On this thread the arguments themselves are abusive, not just the egregious namecalling that is done. But even the term "leftist" is treated as namecalling by the left, though it does happen to have real content and meaning to the right. PaulK has long since given up any pretense at discussion. Equating rank and file conservative Trump supporters with white supremacists is just slander and namecalling in itself, not discussion, not to mention that he has been calling me some over thetop names lately. Stormfield deserves s suspension every time he opens his mouth.

    And really, the same is true of Percy though you seem to be blind to it. He says he's not a leftist but he's using all the Politically Correct accusations against me. I oppose illegal immigration and Muslim immigration for good reasons that have nothing whatever to do with racism but the Left only knows what Cultural Marxism decrees: we are racists and homophobes and worse, there is no such thing as objective reasons for these things.

    Also, this demand for evidence isn't as reasonable as you think it is, it's just a way of refusing to entertain the reasonable point of view of the opposition, basically a big fat "shut up" to conservatives. Sorry there really is a conspiracy by the leftist media to bring down Trump but all we get is the inane declarations of what the press is supposed to be without a hint that anybody sees the total blitzkrieg that's going on.

    So I should have known better than to start such a topic in the first place. Because discussion is NOT possible here.

    Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

    Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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    Capt Stormfield
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    Message 56 of 277 (836726)
    07-21-2018 5:58 PM
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    07-21-2018 1:42 PM


    Re: Keep Discussion Civil.
    Did you ever sit across from someone with a wart on their nose? In polite society, we dont bring up any perceived or obvious flaws in others.

    So you're saying Faith's chronic lying is one of her immutable physical characteristics? Seems a bit harsh.

    I think it's more like having a shit-stain on the back of your skirt from undiagnosed anal leakage. In cases like that, which can be remedied, it is in fact your friends that point it out to you. Particularly if you endlessly carry on about how bad other people's asses smell.


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    Faith 
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    Message 57 of 277 (836727)
    07-21-2018 6:01 PM
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    07-21-2018 5:58 PM


    Re: Keep Discussion Civil.
    For you not to be suspended for this kind of post, which is your standard style, is proof that EvC has become a cesspool and nobody cares about rules any more.

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    Capt Stormfield
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    Message 58 of 277 (836728)
    07-21-2018 6:03 PM
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    07-21-2018 5:29 PM


    Re: Focus On The Book
    Sorry there really is a conspiracy by the leftist media to bring down Trump but all we get is the inane declarations of what the press is supposed to be without a hint that anybody sees the total blitzkrieg that's going on.

    So quit your incessant whining and bitching and declaiming and provide some examples of of uncorrected untruths in the mainstream media. You're big on calling conspiracy, but short on evidence.

    Edited by Capt Stormfield, : typo


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    Capt Stormfield
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    Message 59 of 277 (836729)
    07-21-2018 6:05 PM
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    07-21-2018 6:01 PM


    Dishes It, Can't Take It
    Truth hurt?

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    Faith 
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    Message 60 of 277 (836730)
    07-21-2018 6:05 PM
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    07-21-2018 6:03 PM


    Re: Focus On The Book
    The evidence is everywhere, open your eyes.

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