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Theodoric Member (Idle past 62 days) Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Josephus does not speak at all about 1st century christianity. Any mention about a jesus character is disputable at best. Even if the lines are not interpolations, they are not evidence of the historical existence of the jesus character. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 14846 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
(Wright is)
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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GDR Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
Hi Faith Incarnation or embodiment is a term that the early theologians came up with in trying to understand the meaning of Jesus’ life. This is from the Encyclopedia Britannia. quote:I think however the clearest Biblical picture that we can get in understanding the incarnation is from John Chap 1. quote: I suggest we have to be careful when we talk about God coming to Earth. Jesus prayed to God. He wasn’t talking to Himself. What did come down from God the Father was His “Word”, “Logos”, or wisdom and nature. This is what was incarnate in or embodied by Jesus. So, however that embodiment came to be we can have confidence in our acceptance of that belief because God confirmed it by the resurrection. So yes, I suppose God could have done it some other way without the incarnation but I guess the point is what we believe He did do and not what He could have done. He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Phat Member Posts: 14846 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The Dark Mountain Project Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Theodoric Member (Idle past 62 days) Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
He is not a trained historian as he has been presented. He is practicing apologetics, not presenting history.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member (Idle past 62 days) Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
As he is a myth, I do not see any threat. What do you even mean? You do realize secularists(whatever they are) are not a monolithic block and do not practice groupthink. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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GDR Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
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He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Phat Member Posts: 14846 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Interesting. Food for thought. So are you telling me that the Dark Mountain project is basic apologetics in disguise? I didn't examine it thoroughly enough---I assumed it was secular authors. Which brings up a question. Should we ignore any and all apologetics? If so, why? What makes me trust your boy Richard Carrier and the mythicists any better? I will grant that I need belief to be real. For me, it is real. But I also would feel more comfortable if I could have evidence that not just everyone except the apologists was sane and honest. Care to show me some proof or a bit more rational thinking?
as a further example, you once railed against Ravi Zacharias for some incident that happened in his life and poisoned everything he stood for, which I feel was unfair. I detected a bias against apologetics in general from your overall tone. I believe that he and RC Sproul were among the best Christian defenders and thinkers. Add by Edit: I see you were referring to Wright and not The Dark Mountain Project. I thought I had lost it for a moment there. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Theodoric Member (Idle past 62 days) Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Chair of New Testament and early Christianity at the University of St. Andrews is not a History position. It is a position in the School of Divinity. No bias there.
https://news.st-andrews.ac.uk/...wright-to-chair-in-divinity Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 14846 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The implication, however, is that Theologians are disqualified from speaking of secular definitions. I would argue that belief qualifies as a valid construct in human reasoning and rationality. Perhaps it shouldn't, strictly speaking (and in ode to the goddess of evidence) but it indeed does.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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GDR Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Theodoric Member (Idle past 62 days) Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
I have a BA in History. I am not a historian.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 187 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
My only point was that historically this is how the Church defined the nature of Jesus and it's come down to us with this meaning. Wholly God and Wholly Man is the official doctrine of the traditional Church that Christians acknolwledge as our heritage. It doesn't take any special historical or any other kind of training, this is just doctrine we all learn if we follow the historical development of Church doctrine at all. And I'm only talking about the doctrine that Jesus is both fully Man and fully God as the historical doctrine. Otherwise GDR does inject some of his own beliefs that aren't so traditional, such as his understanding of the meaning of the incarnation which he addressed to me. But overall he has the simple aim of presenting a fuller view of Jesus' humanity than he thinks is well enough acknowledged by other Christians.
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GDR Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 5409 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
AbE here is a quote from the site you linked. You might have read on further. quote: Edited by GDR, : No reason given. He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Tangle Member Posts: 8036 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.0 |
He's marking his own homework. He's a psychic researching dowsing.
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