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Author Topic:   the big lie: evolution, the beasts: darwin, hitler and nero.
Phat
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Message 106 of 160 (876338)
05-17-2020 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-17-2020 1:03 PM


Proving Truth and Lies Is Impossible At An Evidence Based Forum
CG writes:

tell me a god who can say this

You have to understand how unbelievers (or shall I call them nonbelievers and/or atheists) think by and large.

You and I can say to each other that there is only One God Who spoke to humanity through the inspired human writings of a particular set of books and that Jesus was in the Beginning and was and is alive today and that in fact, Jesus existed long before the book was even written down...and even before the oral traditions attempted to describe monotheism, relating to this One God Who is I AM, and Who was, is, and always shall be. I believe this stuff. I have had encounters with what I concluded was the supernatural realm. My critics will tell me that surely I was and am deluded since by their own "book" (the hypothetical book of evidence, logic, reason, and reality) God does not exist and only exists as a character in many human-derived writings and books.

Thus, you can quote scripture to them and they will remain unimpressed and even slightly annoyed by your "trolling" behavior at this cherished science forum that they hang out at.

As an administrator, I got on your case from day one not because you were doing something wrong apart from circumventing our Forum Guidelines but because I knew that your approach would not work and would merely clutter up a forum littered with many dead writings by many long departed Biblical creationists who continue to try and convince these science-based minds here at EvC that God is alive and that creationism is a valid alternative concept to Biological Evolution and the Scientific Method of Critical Thinking.

The bottom line is that you need to get to know the audience before simply walking in and trying to teach them something that they have seen come at them a thousand times. That's all I was and am trying to say to you. We have very few creationists who even stay here. I myself am a believer and what I would call a Cosmological Creationist in that I believe that God(Yes, Jesus Father) was the uncaused first cause of the Universe (Multiverse?) and is the same yesterday, today, and forever in each and every alternate universe ever to be found.

I argue here mainly to try and sharpen my own arguments. My critics and I rarely see eye to eye and likely never will. Nonetheless, I love them and get frustrated at them much as would happen in a large dysfunctional family. To them, I am perhaps a crazy, stubborn misguided Uncle. To me, many of them are perhaps the same thing.


“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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cristian_gavrilescu
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Message 107 of 160 (876339)
05-17-2020 2:09 PM
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05-17-2020 2:00 PM


Re: Proving Truth and Lies Is Impossible At An Evidence Based Forum
i listen to you, why you believe evolution?

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RAZD
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Message 108 of 160 (876340)
05-17-2020 2:30 PM
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05-17-2020 1:03 PM


Re: Hinduism
tell me a god who can say this

There are many who can say this, but as we were discussing Hinduism:

quote:
Hindu Gods and Goddesses - dummies

Hindus acknowledge that, at the most fundamental level, God is the One without a second — the absolute, formless, and only Reality known as Brahman, the Supreme, Universal Soul. Brahman is the universe and everything in it. Brahman has no form and no limits; it is Reality and Truth.

Thus Hinduism is a pantheistic religion: It equates God with the universe. Yet Hindu religion is also polytheistic: populated with myriad gods and goddesses who personify aspects of the one true God, allowing individuals an infinite number of ways to worship based on family tradition, community and regional practices, and other considerations.


See link for more information on all the gods and blending into Brahman the one God/s.

Enjoy

Edited by RAZD, : .


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cristian_gavrilescu
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Message 109 of 160 (876341)
05-17-2020 2:32 PM
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05-17-2020 2:30 PM


Re: Hinduism
who said that?

i will be here in the morning (europe)

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Message 110 of 160 (876344)
05-17-2020 2:59 PM
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05-17-2020 11:15 AM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
cristian_gavrilescu writes:

satanists can say they are christians, read this


So when you say you are a Christian, you might actually be a satanist.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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RAZD
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Message 111 of 160 (876350)
05-17-2020 3:23 PM
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05-17-2020 2:32 PM


Re: Hinduism
Brahmen of course, in many voices in many tongues, all over the world. The god of all gods.

Enjoy


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cristian_gavrilescu
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Message 112 of 160 (876358)
05-17-2020 8:37 PM
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05-17-2020 3:23 PM


Re: Hinduism
i can worship satan, i can say nice things about him
but as a god nobody has the guts to say what God said

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cristian_gavrilescu
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Message 113 of 160 (876361)
05-17-2020 10:36 PM
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05-17-2020 8:37 PM


Re: Hinduism
Allah is God, i don't know the teachings of brahma, maybe is the same God

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cristian_gavrilescu
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Message 114 of 160 (876364)
05-18-2020 6:31 AM
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05-17-2020 10:36 PM


Re: Hinduism
muhammad said to muslims to listen to Lord Jesus, to become christians, but they are nuts, the same like some christians nuts

trust me

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Phat
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Message 115 of 160 (876365)
05-18-2020 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by RAZD
05-17-2020 2:30 PM


Re: Hinduism
As long as we are in a hypothetical conversation about God and gods, I thought I would add my 2 cents. Hinduism seems to be a blend of pantheism and polytheism. There is a distinct and basic difference between a Creator of all seen and unseen and a Creator/creation of all seen and unseen. The idea itself incorporates our own pet god of the moment as an allowable part of Braman.

I know that you are a Zen Deist kinda guy, and I know that anglagard is a Spinoza Pantheist, so I will tread lightly out of respect while I do some research and hash out my own belief on this topic describing the Creator of all seen and unseen seen through the lens of Jesus vs being seen through other lenses.

There are many who can say this...
Yes, and the Hindus would allow many to have their own god. Wrapping up the whole pantheistic model in their version of the Creator of all seen and unseen.

The problem starts with Jesus. You can't just wrap Him up in a package with everyone else god and label it under the Supreme Pantheistic One. Christianity is exclusive rather than inclusive and it is why we have these arguments.


“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Message 116 of 160 (876366)
05-18-2020 10:22 AM
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05-18-2020 10:01 AM


Re: Hinduism
God forbid any teaching from other religion, i don't know what islam says, i heard some stuff from trusted source, which confirmed me that Allah is God because i tried to "fight" islam. i don't want to know any religion. God said to me when i was about 12 this: i am a disciple of His Son. i was in my home, in the sky appeared a light and a Voice told me some things, i have zero doubts about God existence

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Phat
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Message 117 of 160 (876367)
05-18-2020 10:37 AM
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05-17-2020 10:36 PM


Re: Hinduism
CG writes:

Allah is God, I don't know the teachings of Brahma, maybe is the same God

There are many paths up the mountain, but only One God looking down each path at all of us and inviting us up. The reason that Jesus Christ is exclusive is that He is that image at the top. Jesus would have no problem with a person from any and all religions to come to Him. Without Jesus, Allah is an unknown God. The OT has many descriptions of many gods labeled as God, but God can only be known through the lens of Jesus Christ.

As for the question of why I "believe" in evolution, I don't believe in evolution any more than I believe in gravity. I merely observe the effects.

I believe that there is an uncaused first cause Who is knowable through Jesus Christ and that God(as I name this cause) created all that is seen and unseen. I am not interested in Biblical Creationism, however. It does not line up with science.


“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Message 118 of 160 (876368)
05-18-2020 10:43 AM
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05-18-2020 10:22 AM


Getting CG TO Open Up About Jesus
CG writes:

I don't want to know any religion. God said to me when I was about 12 this: I am a disciple of His Son. I was in my home, in the sky appeared a light and a Voice told me some things, I have zero doubts about God's existence

Tell me more about Jesus. How often do you pray and commune with Him?

I'm curious...I love discussing spirituality with others, both believers and nonbelievers. I have a few questions.

  • You say you "became saved" at age 12. How old are you now, if I might ask?
  • What made you come to EvC Forum? Are you involved in dialogue with others about Creationism vs Evolution? Do you see a conflict? What does Jesus tell you in your prayers?

    “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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    Phat
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    Message 119 of 160 (876369)
    05-18-2020 11:01 AM
    Reply to: Message 4 by Tangle
    05-12-2020 9:41 AM


    Tangle writes:

    This has to be a driveby...

    And Jesus has to be a Bronze Age myth, am I right?

    He has hung in for 118 posts so far. If you talk to people nicely they sometimes stay around but if you dogpile everyone who comes here to challenge science, you get conclusive proof that you can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. So, Tangled one, are you ready for another season of fishing?


    “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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    cristian_gavrilescu
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    Message 120 of 160 (876370)
    05-18-2020 11:06 AM
    Reply to: Message 118 by Phat
    05-18-2020 10:43 AM


    Re: Getting CG TO Open Up About Jesus
    i can't answer. you must see Lord Jesus, it's not my "business" to say who is Lord Jesus

    24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. (Luke 17:24)


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