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Percy
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Message 68 of 90 (912083)
08-13-2023 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Phat
08-12-2023 3:54 PM


Re: Facts only please
AZPaul3 does have a point. You seem to hold that solutions that exclude religion and guns and that bring people together in peace are evil.
What kind of world do you want? Don't you want one where the nations of the world work out their differences peacefully, and where national boundaries become more administrative than political? How do you imagine religion and guns helping reach that goal?
All this is against a backdrop of rising world temperatures causing more and more extreme weather events and climate conditions and displacing more and more people. Your solution is to throw more guns at the problem, as if we shot all the migrants or make their conditions so squalid they die that the problem would be solved.
A problem slave, back in the day, is this same problem in microcosm. If a slave is stubborn or obstinate or lazy or keeps trying to escape then the answer is more beatings and whippings, more confinements, harder work, less food and water, and more God since religion was complicit in Southern slavery. These are the kinds of answers you seem to prefer for solving the world's problems, but their record of failure and inhumanity is splattered across millennia.
About this:
It seems you support the antichrist agenda...
People who don't accept the existence of Christ are unlikely to believe in an Antichrist, either.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 71 of 90 (912086)
08-13-2023 9:25 AM
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08-13-2023 8:42 AM


Re: Facts only please
Phat writes:
Hopefully the world can stop acting unchristian and resolve these conflicts peacefully.
You're missing the point. The problem isn't too much unchristian behavior. The problem is too much religiously motivated behavior. Major world religious bad actors, off the top of my head, are Israel, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Then there are the local religious bad actors, such as evangelicalism and FLDS in the U.S., and various sects throughout the world.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 75 of 90 (912092)
08-13-2023 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Phat
08-13-2023 2:37 PM


Re: War, warlords, Christianity, and Humanism
Phat writes:
Percy mentions Israel as a "religious bad actor" but I will tell you that Israel has a more powerful military than either Iran or Russia ever thought of having.
This doesn't tie into the discussion at all. Why did you go out of your way to be wrong? Israel at 11th *does* have a more powerful military than Iran at 20th, but Russia has the 2nd most powerful military in the world, 2nd only to the U.S. Why on earth would you claim Israel's is more powerful. Just the fact that Russia is so much larger than Israel in terms of people (15 times more) and land area (nearly 800 times more) should have made you question what you were saying before you ever posted.
One problem in the Middle East is that Saudi Arabia is starting to cozy up to China over the United States which is one reason why the US Dollars best days are behind it.
Please stop saying anything about financial matters. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're parroting what you hear on YouTube videos intended to scare you into buying gold. Please stop polluting threads with this garbage. We've heard it long enough. You should find an appropriate thread for discussing this topic and post only there about it. Definitely don't start talking about it in threads like this one titled Church History In Plain Language (5th edition).
You dont tell your trading partner that you are going green overnight and cause them to question the petro dollars future value to them.
China is transitioning from fossil fuels even faster than the US. Their largest auto company is an EV company, BYD, whose annual sales are around $61 billion, about three quarters of Tesla's $81 billion, but it is growing twice as fast as Tesla.
Why don't you ever look stuff up and do some thinking before putting your fingers in gear? Wouldn't you like to occasionally have people post responses to you that say things like, "Astute observation" or "Well argued." You instead seemed determined to draw as much ridicule and derision as possible by issuing a continuous stream of obvious and blatant errors.
The whole Internet is out there. Use it, especially Wikipedia. I bet it would reduce your error rate by 90%. Nobody's perfect, everyone makes mistakes, but you can't seem to get through even a single sentence without getting at least three things wrong.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 76 of 90 (912093)
08-13-2023 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by AZPaul3
08-13-2023 2:49 PM


Re: War, warlords, Christianity, and Humanism
AZPaul3 writes:
The UN is not effective as an international enforcer. We know that. Why do you bring this up? Did you think the UN was supposed to be the world police?
I think that was the hope. There have been a number of UN military missions over the years, usually made up of troops from multiple countries. Article 42 of the UN charter lists this responsibility of member nations:
quote:
Make available to the Security Council, on its call and in accordance with a special agreement or agreements, armed forces, assistance, and facilities, including rights of passage necessary for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security.
Unfortunately there is a great gulf between the hope and the reality.
--Percy

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Message 81 of 90 (912106)
08-14-2023 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Phat
08-14-2023 9:06 AM


Re: War, warlords, Christianity, and Humanism
Phat writes:
If you want to see fireworks, imagine a day when the UN opposes the United States!
Please, please, please, would you look things up before you post. The U.S. is opposed in the General Assembly on a daily basis. Almost all countries of the world are represented in the General Assembly, and a great many of them oppose at least some U.S. policies. See Thirty Years of Voting in the U.N. General Assembly: The U.S. Is Nearly Always in the Minority.
This information isn't buried or hidden. This was the top response to a Google search. There's an entire Internet out there. Avail yourself of it. Except for YouTube. You think many, many things that aren't true, but your ignorance can be easily remedied. Nobody is asking for researched reports, but you could at least stop sayings things so wrong that they're almost as bad as insisting the moon is made of green cheese.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 87 of 90 (912357)
08-26-2023 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Phat
08-26-2023 11:06 AM


Re: War, warlords, Christianity, and Humanism
Phat writes:
I do not support secular humanism. The main reason is the anti religious stance.
Humanism isn't antireligious, not in the least.
But what Theodoric asked was why you support christofascists. He could have avoided the provocative terminology, but he was only asking why you support christians who are antidemocratic.
I support a Christian Democracy, if such a thing is possible.
I think world history has pretty much proven that combining church and state is a very bad idea. Current examples of just how bad can be found in Iran and Afghanistan.
How often do I have to remind you that I have never voted for Trump nor do I intend to.
Theodoric hasn't mentioned Trump once in the entire thread. Where did this come from?
I do resist the efforts of those who seek freedom from religion. They are not believers.
So you would resist the efforts of those who seek to keep you free from encroachments into your life from Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Mormonism, etc? These religions represent the people you approve of, namely believers.
I think that I prefer an open and public relationship with Jesus rather than a Falwell styled "Majority". Church and State should be separate but Jesus should by no means be kept out of government or legal justice, if He in fact resides within some of us.
You have managed, again, to contradict yourself within a single sentence. You can't have separation of church and state while at the same time incorporating Jesus into government and justice.
Any sort of PRIDE should be pride in our relationship with Jesus and should be freely and openly expressed.
It's a free country. Express your religious beliefs publicly to your hearts content. But if you allow that creche at Christmastime in the town square then you must also allow all other religions to do the equivalent, like a menorah during Hanukkah, a sand art sculpture during Diwali, a Buddha statue during Wesak, and so forth.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 90 of 90 (912382)
08-28-2023 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Phat
08-27-2023 3:39 PM


Re: War, warlords, Christianity, and Humanism
Phat writes:
While I admit to some ignorance in my life, I never try and actually hate anyone.
We shouldn't make this thread about you, but you do have a tendency to direct hate and resentment, along with attribution of some pretty derogatory attributes, toward many people and groups. In large groups people are pretty much the same everywhere, be they Democrats, atheists, homeless people or migrants, but you seem to have a marked antipathy toward them, especially the unfortunate.
Percy writes:
Theodoric hasn't mentioned Trump once in the entire thread. Where did this come from?
I was assuming that Trump was the Elephant Fascist in the room.
In a thread about church history?
I don't think that the Right Wing in general is fascist, though it could be debatable.
The far right wing is anti-democratic. It's authoritarian tendencies lean toward facism.
--Percy

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