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dwise1
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Message 61 of 95 (892654)
03-11-2022 1:35 PM
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03-11-2022 12:45 PM


Re: Tangle's sig
It's Ukrainian. Russian does not have that letter, "ї".

On the news, I've seen vehicles with paper signs on them. The first one I saw said "люди" ("people"), so I wrongly assumed that it was to tell evacuees that it was a personnel transport van. But then after a report of a family shot upon in their car I saw a private vehicle with a big paper sign saying "дети" ("children"). On my phone's translate app I verified that that was a strictly Russian word (the Ukrainian word, "дітей", is very similar but distrinctly different -- BTW, "люди" is written the same in both Russian and Ukrainian). That's when I realized that the signs were meant specifically to tell Russian soldiers that children and civilians are in the car so please don't shoot. Unfortunately, the literacy rate in Russia must not be as high as we'd been led to believe.

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Message 62 of 95 (892658)
03-11-2022 2:08 PM
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03-10-2022 9:25 PM


Re: Unholy Crap!
Hey Peanut Gallery? Y'all in Lurkersville. Anyone believing any of this?

Honestly. Anyone?

Well, like the rest of science, the real test for a replacement theory is whether any biologists will start using it in their work. I just don't see any way anyone can use this silly BS to do better science.

As an entomologist, not a single bit of his nonsense can be applied to my studies.


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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 63 of 95 (892660)
03-11-2022 2:26 PM


Message 3 The newest attempt to summarize the falsification.
MrID writes:

(The normal and technical naming and nomenclatures, some confirmed mechanisms of change but always controlled, and almost all technical terms used in Biology and its related fields, should be retained. But anything that has connection with ToE, evolution and Darwin, must be discarded and replaced, considered pseudo-science, unless the topics are criticizing them.)

I especially like the part where anything with a connection to Darwin must be discarded and replaced.

I feel confident in saying that MrID has never read any of what Darwin wrote, since he has clearly demonstrated that he has no clue what biological evolution is or how it works.

My expectations of entertainment are diminishing.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 64 of 95 (892662)
03-11-2022 3:04 PM
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03-11-2022 2:26 PM


or what falsification is.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 65 of 95 (892664)
03-11-2022 3:16 PM
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03-11-2022 2:26 PM


The newest attempt to summarize the falsification.

He thereby shows that he does not understand the meaning of "summary".

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 66 of 95 (892669)
03-11-2022 4:41 PM


MrID actually came close, but didn't quite get there. He could have gone with the classic example of Mercury's orbit falsifying Newton's model of gravity, or even bent starlight. He could have then pointed to a similar experimental test that falsifies evolution. But . . . no. Instead, we just get the insistent "Evolution is falsified" over and over without any actual falsification. Perhaps falsifications are invoked like Candyman and Beetlejuice?

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Message 67 of 95 (892690)
03-12-2022 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by dwise1
03-10-2022 3:25 PM


Re: Finally, we are going get the real deal
dwise1 writes:

Guess that's why, while most people practice until they get it right, MDs have to always practice because they can never get it right.


My dad was a carpenter. Once, when he was finishing a doctor's basement, the doctor said to him, "You're lucky. You can just cover up your mistakes."

Dad replied, "I guess you have to bury yours."


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 68 of 95 (892693)
03-12-2022 12:13 PM
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03-12-2022 11:52 AM


Re: Finally, we are going get the real deal
My wife the doctor found this very funny.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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Message 69 of 95 (892722)
03-12-2022 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Taq
03-11-2022 4:41 PM


He could have then pointed to a similar experimental test that falsifies evolution. But . . . no. Instead, we just get the insistent "Evolution is falsified" over and over without any actual falsification.

We are now in the era of: if I say I did something then that's as good as doing it and if I say I did it a bunch of times that means I really, really did it.

There's still some true entertainment value here after all. Here's MrID's sammary that Percy requested
Message 5

MrID writes:

Thank you. I think that I should make a summary of it.
I think this one will work.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scientific Falsification of the Theory of Evolution (ToE) and Introducing ToE's Replacement

In science, a wrong theory or explanation must be falsified and be replaced. In here, I falsified Evolution because Evolution is wrong. Science must talk and explain reality, but Evolution is not discussing reality for the following reasons:

quote:
1, Wrong basis of reality. Non-intentional change is wrong since biological cell is intellen;
2. Limited Scope of reality in biology. Biological living organisms are dealing with reality in broader scope, then expected;
3. No exclusive explanation. There are no exclusive explanations when the change is non-intentional since those changes could also be seen in intentional change;
4. Natural Methodological inconsistency. If there are two or more competing scenarios, they must be settled first before concluding which is the best scenario as seen in reality. Evolution has nothing on this.

The method or tool used in falsification and replacement is from the new Intelligent Design and all of discoveries. And the replacement is called Biological Interrelation Theory that is broader and wider in scope than Evolution. Thus, Evolution is not only falsified but replaced.


I love "Wrong basis of reality," but then they get better, "Limited Scope of reality in biology," "No exclusive explanation," and finally "Natural Methodological inconsistency." These are going to be tough to refute! (mainly because I can't stop laughing...ok I made that part up, but how the heck did he even come up with this gibberish?)


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 70 of 95 (892727)
03-12-2022 4:16 PM
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03-12-2022 3:51 PM


... , but how the heck did he even come up with this gibberish?

Because generating meaningless technobabble is de rigueur for ID! All they have to work with are grand-sounding words that nobody can understand while employ the deception that you do know -- kind of an "Emperor's New Clothes" scenario.

On my Palm Pilot I had an app which generated business management/HR buzzwords, all of them complete nonsense though some of them sounded rather good. Just with that buzzword generator you could publish an entire series of popular management books (eg, "I'm OK, Wassamatta U?"). I have a sci-fi project that I started decades ago based on a gaming magazine article for a Doctor Who RPG referee to come up with technobabble beyond the old standard, "Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow!" I also have a program based on an Omni article with a flowchart for generate any scifi B movie. George Orwell described a similar machine in 1984 which generated porn for the proles -- have sets of characters, plot devices, settings, etc, and just throw them together at random.

At least this attempt doesn't seem to be lifted whole from his document, unlike the previous "summary". At least I didn't find key phrases in search (a common use of Google by professors to expose plagiarizing students).


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Message 71 of 95 (892730)
03-12-2022 5:17 PM
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03-12-2022 3:51 PM


Here's MrID's sammary that Percy requested

It is quite feeble. But it is probably enough for Admin to promote it.

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Message 72 of 95 (892731)
03-12-2022 5:25 PM
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03-12-2022 5:17 PM


Feeble? It's incoherent gobbledegook.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 73 of 95 (892732)
03-12-2022 5:36 PM


MrID kind of reminds me of that guy Tesla from a long time ago here at EvC. Made a career of incoherence.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


  
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Message 74 of 95 (892733)
03-12-2022 5:51 PM
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03-11-2022 2:26 PM


Message 3 The newest attempt to summarize the falsification.

. . .

I especially like the part where anything with a connection to Darwin must be discarded and replaced.

So instead of just simply summarizing, MrID chose to plagiarize his own work. While that may seem to be an oxymoron, that is basically what he had done. All he did was to copy a paragraph from his document (page 16 in Adobe Acrobat -- why am I not surprised that MrID couldn't even number the pages in his own document; it's a very simple setting in most word processors). And that copied paragraph doesn't even begin to serve the purpose of summarizing -- unless MrID can explain to us why he thinks that it does, which he will of course never do.

As evidence that he will never ever respond to our questions and critiques, we have both his consistent history on this forum and the final paragraph of his "article":

quote:
I had already put up. I think I am right and correct. Please, check if my explanations are correct by falsifying my basis, the discoveries from the new Intelligent Design , and my explanations. If you agree, please, let the whole world know and help the world. If you dis agree, please, write the rebuttal in any science journals or books. Let me know so that I could check my errors too.

So in order for him to even begin to consider responding, we would have to publish peer-reviewed articles in science journals or write books on "my rebuttal to MrID's nonsense." Realistically, who would ever write such an article about ... well, almost literally nothing? Maybe NCSE Reports would carry an article of "there's this blithering idiot ID-iot who self-publishes complete nonsense, so here's an example of the dreck that's out there". MrID is assuming delusions of grandeur not unlike creationist Walter Brown who offered to debate with anyone but only if they hold a PhD in the appropriate field, which he used as his excuse for ducking out on debates he knew he would lose.

 
And now he has posted Message 5 in which he gets very slightly closer (at least this one doesn't appear to be a copy-and-paste like his Message 3. But the bat-guano dressing on his word salad still does not pass muster.

Edited by dwise1, : completed what Walter Brown accomplished by his ploy


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Message 75 of 95 (892739)
03-12-2022 11:44 PM


also he commits the begging the question fallacy here:
Non-intentional change is wrong since biological cell is intellen

if the individual biological cell is intelligent, yes, that would falsify TOE. but he hasn't established that it is.

intellen doesn't mean anything on dictionary.com, so i took it as a likely typo.

intellen did get some hits on google, though. but they all kinda still look like he made a typo.

just being generous here.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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